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Offline Niko

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Throttle return spring....to strong
« on: July 08, 2017, 02:43:26 PM »
Hi

Anyone fitted a lighter return spring. After ten minutes my wrist aches...(lol).
I'm sure the one that's on there could close my garage door.

Any lighter ones that you guys might recommend please


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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2017, 02:44:31 PM »
Hi

Anyone fitted a lighter return spring. After ten minutes my wrist aches...(lol).
I'm sure the one that's on there could close my garage door.

Any lighter ones that you guys might recommend please


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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 02:58:40 PM »
It's there, not ro return the throttle,  but to strengthen your wrist.
Where's that 10mm socket got to?

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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 04:06:46 PM »
It's there, not ro return the throttle,  but to strengthen your wrist.


It's working then


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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 05:51:37 PM »
It's there, not ro return the throttle,  but to strengthen your wrist.
I don't need a spring for that.......

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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2017, 06:58:32 PM »
Check cable routing, and also that the cables are in good working order.

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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2017, 08:01:32 PM »
A whole world of innuendo available for strengthening wrists and the like.

So, avoiding that with a neat side step,  and as James pointed out,  the cable is important. Specifically if it's the Honda one with right angle bend coming out of the twistgrip, originally they had a plastic sleeve in this section which when older the cable cuts through. If this is the case, the cable is harder to pull and makes it feel a whole lot heavier.

Are you using a quicker action twistgrip as that will have a part to play as well.

I find that with a fatter throttle grip they are harder as your hand is more open and you used more effort to actually grip it rather than turn it.

Also if the surface is in any way shiny you just end up with cramping trying to hold it open on longer journeys.

See,  nothing remotely available for double entendre use there at all  ;) no sniggering at the back there.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2017, 08:09:42 PM »
Enlarging the picture, it does look like a quick action throttle, had one on a 400/4 around 30 years ago, bloody heavy action, resulting in some very dodgy behaviour on wet roads. That is almost certainly the cause of your problem, only real solution is to get shot of it!
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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 09:40:38 AM »
Enlarging the picture, it does look like a quick action throttle, had one on a 400/4 around 30 years ago, bloody heavy action, resulting in some very dodgy behaviour on wet roads. That is almost certainly the cause of your problem, only real solution is to get shot of it!


It's not a quick action....and no real friction at all until the spring is hooked up. It's just a massive spring.
When the carbs were off I couldn't budge the cam / cable guide at all.

I think a lighter spring is needed ....just wanted to know if anyone had done it.

I will double check what is being said though...cheers



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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2017, 09:53:57 AM »
Where's your pod filters????
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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2017, 10:16:50 AM »
Well you could fit a lighter spring , but ONLY if you have both throttle cables fitted, it's all about safety. You need the second cable to be certain you can shut the throttles in an emergency situation, best thing is to see how it feels with no spring fitted to ensure the cables or routing of the cables are not causing any stiffness, if you remove the tank to detach the spring, make sure you put the tank back on before testing how it feels, as everything needs to be in it's normal location to get a true idea of how it feels. If it feels light and smooth in it's action with both cables fitted, then you can safely go with a lighter spring. If it feels stiff or notchy without the spring fitted then you need to look at replacing the cables first, preferably using OEM ones, then try again. Please don't try a lighter spring with just one cable fitted, it can be extremely dangerous in some situations, I know people who have had serious accidents as a result of jammed throttles, and pulling the clutch in can make things a whole lot worse, especially in a bend, throws the bike dangerously off balance, Honda fitted 2 cables to help stop that happening! As regards a lighter spring supplier, if you have both cables, and the action is light and smooth, there are some about on e bay, or buy a selection box from screwfix or machine mart and try different tensions, and use the strongest you are comfortable with.

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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2017, 10:51:27 PM »
I have a 550K1 and a 550K3. The K3 has P46A carbs and the action is as light as a feather. The K1 has different carbs which I believe are called Type 1. The cables are free and greased on the K1 and it's only the strength of the spring which is the problem, because it is very strong when compared to the K3 and there's no way I'd want to ride it as it is. A lighter spring has to be the answer.   
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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2017, 07:21:00 AM »
If you have greased, or lubed inj any way, Original Honda cables you make them worse as both the inner and outer have linings which swell up and make them stiff

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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 10:26:11 AM »
Where's your pod filters????
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Re: Throttle return spring....to strong
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 10:27:48 PM »
Bit of wd40 and light oil down the outer sand it's made some difference...I will persevere.
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