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Re: MOT
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2017, 03:51:45 PM »
I've also read this elsewhere:
"It will become a rolling forty year exemption from next year unless 'Substantially Modified' - a definition which is yet to be finalised. Bikes etc from 2022 while they sort out how to classify substantially modded for that category."
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Re: MOT
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2017, 04:34:01 PM »
does not apply to bikes or 3 wheelers until 2022 , for the purposes of consultation  bikes were included in all surveys and data collection
 and  classic were were deemed to be well enough maintained by their owners not to need a test , but their owners are not MPs and other notable persons ,so they must continue to pay the local garage owners son ,who doesn't know his arsehole from breakfast time ,to tell them that their bike is safe to ride .

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2017, 06:21:58 PM »
I've also read this elsewhere:
"It will become a rolling forty year exemption from next year unless 'Substantially Modified' - a definition which is yet to be finalised. Bikes etc from 2022 while they sort out how to classify substantially modded for that category."
I thought they were going to use the current DVLA 8 point criteria for 'substantially modified'?
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2017, 06:24:15 PM »
does not apply to bikes or 3 wheelers until 2022 , for the purposes of consultation  bikes were included in all surveys and data collection
 and  classic were were deemed to be well enough maintained by their owners not to need a test , but their owners are not MPs and other notable persons ,so they must continue to pay the local garage owners son ,who doesn't know his arsehole from breakfast time ,to tell them that their bike is safe to ride .
I have read the consultation doc but I couldn't see anything about 2022, just 2018. I may have missed it or miss read it though.
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2017, 06:43:21 PM »
No I can't find any reference to 2022  Julie.

If you google 'roadwothyness testing for vehicles of historic interest' It states that lighter vehicles and states that means cars, and motorcycles over 40 years are exempt from testing provided they have not been substantially modified. 

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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2017, 07:11:32 PM »
No I can't find any reference to 2022  Julie.

If you google 'roadwothyness testing for vehicles of historic interest' It states that lighter vehicles and states that means cars, and motorcycles over 40 years are exempt from testing provided they have not been substantially modified.
Yes Peter, that is what I also read and I can't remember seeing a reference to 2022 anywhere in the document or the draft guidelines.

'The DfT estimates that it will mean an additional 293,000 UK cars and motorcycles will no longer need to have the mechanical examination every year under the rule change.'

'This means lighter vehicles (such as cars and motorcycles) and those larger vehicles such as buses which are not used commercially'.

Also, the DfT do realise there is a slightly different meaning for 'substantially modified' as far as bikes are concerned but they say the minor changes needed to the DVLA 8 point system will need only minor tweaking and new guidelines will be in place ready for implementation by May 2018.

Edit....I have just read though the 3 Government doc's again and can see no mention of 2022 anywhere. The closest I can find is a review date of 2025. Therefore I still read it as applicable to cars and motorcycles from May 2018.
 

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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2017, 05:07:36 PM »
just copy and pasted from the original consultation document on page 10. There could be a cock up somewhere in the latest statement but I hope not.

1.6 Although motorcycles and 3-wheeled vehicles do not come into the scope of the Directive until 1 January 2022 we are including these categories of vehicles in this consultation. (Any changes affecting these vehicles will not come into force until 1 January 2022.)

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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2017, 05:39:01 PM »
Very interesting. It certainly appears that one document contradicts the other document but, this is the UK Government............so who knows!!
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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2017, 05:41:32 PM »
Its not often such things go the way you would like them to.  :)

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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2017, 06:08:40 PM »
Its not often such things go the way you would like them to.  :)
So true. I'm not fussed if it happens or not quite honestly, as I said before I think it's a bad move personally. MOT's are something we have all had to endure soooooo many times over the years that it's part of everyday biking and driving now.
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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2017, 12:59:58 PM »
I have to say this is good news.  I have taken my bike for annual MOT for the last 22 years and it has not failed once.  I keep it in good condition and repair things when they go wrong.  One year I rode it about 45 miles in total including 34 mile round trip to the MOT station. 

Does anyone know if we get official notification or do we just let the last MOT lapse....?

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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2017, 02:14:33 PM »
Just come across this on Classic Bike Guide Dated 1 Dec.
THE GOVERNMENT HAS clarified details of what will happen when the new 40-year MoT Exemption is introduced in May 2018.

Details of what the words ‘substantially modified’ mean, which is the term used to classify whether a vehicle can be considered exempt, have been firmed up. There has also been a change in the date at which a vehicle will be classified as 40 years old.

The ‘substantially modified’ category has seen the authorities abandon an original eight-point scheme which would have categorised different components, such as engines, frames, suspension and brakes as changes that affected the vehicle’s historic age for a simpler arrangement. This followed concerns that vehicles that had upgraded brakes or better engines might fall foul of the regulations.
 Instead, ‘substantially modified’ will now mean a vehicle that has a power to weight ratio of more than 15 per cent in excess of its original design, unless such a modification took place before 1988.

An MoT will also still be needed if a vehicle has been issued with a registration number with a ‘Q’ prefix. Kit cars and reconstructed classic vehicles, a class defined by DVLA guidance will also be ineligible. Anyone applying for tax exemption will now need to declare that a vehicle hasn’t been substantially changed since 1988.

Original guidance issued by the Department for Transport (DfT) indicated that the rules would apply in the first instance to vehicles registered or manufactured before 1977 and then roll over, but this has now been changed.

A spokesman from the DfT told Classic Bike Guide: “The situation is that from May 20, 2018, vehicles over 40 years old will be exempt from MoT testing on a rolling basis. So on May 20, vehicles built or first registered on May 20, 1978 or earlier will become exempt; from May 21, vehicles built or first registered on
 May 21, 1978 or earlier will be exempt.”

There will be nothing to stop owners of historic vehicles having their vehicles tested. At present, around 6% of owners whose vehicles are MoT exempt still have their vehicles tested.

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« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2018, 01:42:08 PM »
It does not make me think whooopi no mot for some of my bikes
I will probably get the bikes I use weekly looked at but rebuilt classics that don't cover many miles probably not


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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2018, 03:39:32 PM »
I'm still very undecided on this my bikes always pass but there is a lot of rotten crap out there.  :-\
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« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2018, 08:55:28 PM »
Overall I like the change, the nearest bike mot place I would actually let near my bikes is some 30 miles each way, once I set off I'm thrashing it regardless to make an appointment. Makes for a shakedown run that tests it rather severely, the route is over a pretty harsh road that covers the bike in crud and really tests power output up some nasty hills. On that front being able to pop down the road and back and tinker at things in a more relaxed manner will wind up with a better fettled bike, plus the mot only took a snapshot of condition on one day, I've had recently  mot'd vehicles have all manner of failiures most notably the brake lining dropping off the rear shoes 100 yards from the test centre. Bottom line for me is that I've had plenty of times where the best bike has been parked up without an mot whilst something with an Mot has been doing the commuting with issues needing sorting and me not having a free day to do the mot so it will help me keep my vehicles safe.
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