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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #210 on: January 08, 2019, 12:18:27 PM »
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I probably looked like a fat bird riding a kids bike

Haha! (tempted to say LOL but that triggers some folk on here ;) ) I know what you mean, I'm 6 foot and haven't had a bike this small in years. It sounds fun though.

Yes if you can send me a pm with the pdf as a link if you can host it somewhere, or attachment if the technology allows, that would be great, I can print it out and keep it in the garage. failing that I can pm you my email address so you can attach it to an email. My Clymer manual has a couple of wiring diagrams for CB450 models but they aren't 100% correct for my bike.

I had another look at my wiring, and on the +ve side I can see the red fused supply to the loom, the red feed from the regulator and the cable to the starter relay, as it should be. The mystery earth wire has no sign of green on it, it comes out of the cable black, then confusingly got spliced with a repair piece in red, see the photo. Red and black make sense for + and -, what gets really confusing is that further up the loom, feed wires are black and earth wires are green, it beats me why Honda weren't consistent.










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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #211 on: January 13, 2019, 09:43:33 PM »
Nothing to take a picture of really, but I reached a milestone today- after making an earth wire to the handlebars and connecting up the new battery, I pressed the starter  button.

The engine span, and there were sparks at the new plugs!

Next up is to rebuild the carbs, then we are really close to attempting to start her up.

1969 Honda CL450 'Scrambler'
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #212 on: January 19, 2019, 09:33:25 PM »
News flash - she runs!

Early attempts failed miserably, despite fat blue sparks, then I checked the float bowls and found them empty! The repair kit float needles are slightly different, I put the originals back in and got the bowls to fill, with a bit of fiddling with the float tabs. One is new, the original one is bent to buggery and will be replaced.

With fuel in the carbs I tried again and, probably for the first time since she had metallic purple paint and pullback bars, back in the seventies I think, she fired up!

Little smoke, no tick over yet but the settings were just a guess for now.

There is a video, when I work out how to work YouTube i’ll post a link to it. We’re having a bottle of bubbly left over from the wife’s birthday party to celebrate :)

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #213 on: January 19, 2019, 09:51:58 PM »
Well done Dave......great work 👍👍👍👍
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #214 on: January 19, 2019, 10:33:01 PM »
Great news,  well done.

It's always nice to hear something going again after assembly.

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #215 on: January 20, 2019, 10:02:55 AM »
Awesome well done Dave. Scanner still down at work - should have wiring diagram in PDF early next week. James

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #216 on: January 20, 2019, 10:33:23 AM »
Well done Dave, look forward to watching the video.
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #217 on: January 20, 2019, 06:57:54 PM »
Well done mate, have watched the thread closely and you have been very thorough and patient.
One day I'll have the time to restore it, not just talk and dream....

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #218 on: January 21, 2019, 12:20:05 PM »
Thanks for your kind comments. Of course the advice, contacts and parts that have come via this thread have been invaluable. Once I have the clocks fitted, clutch adjusted and connect up the lights and flashers etc she will be ready for an MOT, although exempt I presume I still need one on the VIN number to get an age related registration.

Question - given that, as a US bike, there is a plate showing a manufacturing date of 11/69, do I still need to faff around with a dating letter to get her registered? I can do it via the VJMC if I have to, but I wondered if a photo of the VIN plate would do? As an aside, are Honda US any more friendly than Honda UK, who were spectacularly unhelpful with my CB750, as they didn't sell it. I was wondering if Honda USA (if they still exist) records would show which dealer sold the bike, I only know it came from a state with red soil, as there was half a pound of it under the transmission cover. There was an auction number starting with KS painted on the forks and headlamp - Kansas? Maybe Summerbud would know, if they would tell me - I guess they may want to protect their sources.

Here's a couple of phone pics of the bike ready to start with carbs and new fuel lines - the originals had turned to stone but were handy for the lengths required. I tried to take a couple of shots with my SLR, but the lens fitted meant I couldn't get far enough away in the garage, I'll take some better photos once she is complete and out and about.





I seem to have worked out YouTube, there is a video of my first attempt, with no fuel in the float bowls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrgyiuu3f3M

She wouldn't start to David Bowie (Planet Rock on the garage radio), but did for Hawkwind, and fuel of course:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeriJFzG08U

Second (warm) start, choke now off, with dodgy upside down solo camera work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw5u1BkIe5k

I must work out how to do the embedded thumbnail type links, but I have work to do.





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1971 Honda CB750 K1 'General Export Type' (from South Africa)
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #219 on: January 21, 2019, 05:56:09 PM »
Fantastic progress Dave.

You can use form V112 to register as MOT exempt (so you don’t need an MOT to register her).

The DVLA will want the original US title for dating purposes. They won’t accept a photo of the VIN tag.

If no title, VJMC dating letter will work, with a covering letter explaining why you don’t have the original title.

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #220 on: January 22, 2019, 12:01:11 PM »
If I don't need an MOT then I can get on with getting her registered really, also I wont have to do the dodgy ride to the MOT station definitely not temporarily borrowing the CB750 plate (because its a Honda already insured in my name, and no plate is asking for a pull) , as that would be illegal.  8)

I got absolutely no paperwork with the bike other than a NOVA certificate and a receipt, so I'll need a dating letter, however I am already a VJMC member, from when I had to do the same with the CB750. It will be interesting explaining to the wife why I am posting a letter to a dating service, let's hope it goes better than when I was doing bathroom repairs, and she poked her head around the door to see what I was doing just as I was looking, shocked, at my Google search results for 'ball cock'  :o :o :o

I downloaded the form from the VJMC, as well as close ups of the frame, engine and VIN plate numbers, they want side on shots of the completed bike, so they can judge that it is what it's supposed to be, and not, say a later bike built into an old frame.

So I put the clocks on, stuffed all the loose electrical spaghetti into the headlamp, and dragged her out, blinking, into the daylight for the first time in a long time, to take photos with a proper camera. I thought I'd share the results:



1969 Honda CL450 'Scrambler'
1971 Honda CB750 K1 'General Export Type' (from South Africa)
1985 Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera Sport
2005 Harley XL1200R Sportster

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #221 on: January 22, 2019, 12:15:59 PM »
I have ridden several bikes and driven a couple of kit cars to  MOT without plates and never been pulled yet!!!

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #222 on: January 22, 2019, 02:11:29 PM »
You may well have been insured though, I won't be adding the CL to my policy until it is properly ready for the road. I'm guessing I'll need it insured on the frame number when I apply to register, I remember having a falling out with my insurer with the CB750 when they charged me £35 just to amend the policy from the frame number to the registration number, robbing bunch of %*£!s.

I have applied to the DVLA for the V55/5 form to get a registration number, also a V355/5 which is a guide to filling it in.

I'm guessing that James does this rigmarole quite often, James how do you fill in the V112 (exemption from road tax) form when you don't have a number yet? Do you put the frame number in, or leave it blank for the DVLA to complete?
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1971 Honda CB750 K1 'General Export Type' (from South Africa)
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #223 on: January 22, 2019, 09:07:06 PM »
Dave - feel free to call me and I can walk you through the paperwork one evening. V112 yes just put in your VIN where it says registration number. The bike doesn’t need to be insured either to register. Email Ray Davis @VJMC with dating application with photos from 4 angles and of ViN/ Engine number . Simples.

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #224 on: January 22, 2019, 10:42:27 PM »
James , have they changed that as well as you used to need insurance to register and what about the £55 tax and registration fee.