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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #270 on: July 30, 2019, 04:59:27 PM »
I found a photo of a CL450 silencer the same as mine cut open (who knows why), in an eBay listing. Like most CL450 projects up for sale recently it seems to have been left out in the rain for years, it makes me realise that I was lucky to find one that had been stored on the dry to restore.



The pulled spot welds and crack on my silencer (see earlier photo) seem to be in the same area as the curved vertical baffle shown, so maybe its that which has come adrift. I'll keep it on the road until winter, and cut away the back to have a look then, I'll also giver her a good service and check all the tappets and timing then. I keep silencers (one piece with the upper pipe) on my eBay watch list, but only near scrap ones come up for sale

500 miles done so far, all running well and no real problems other than the silencer rattle and an iffy indicator switch, it requires a 'knack' to signal a right turn. New switches are expensive but available.

The original clutch cable is very graunchy, so I have a new grey one coming from the states (only black ones seem to be available new here), I just paid the VAT and extortionate Royal Mail 'collection fee', so it should be here soon. Question, my service manual says nothing about lubricating cables, am I right in thinking that  Honda cables (OEM ones at least) are nylon lined, so you don't have to / shouldn't lubricate them?
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #271 on: August 12, 2019, 07:26:08 PM »
I fitted the new clutch cable over the weekend, what a difference!

Now one finger operation and as light as a feather, remarkable compared with the British twins of the day, their clutches were like cracking walnuts with your bare hands. Also the full set of new grey cables look very smart.
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #272 on: August 12, 2019, 11:21:06 PM »
Deffo DO NOT lube genuine cables it makes them worse! Inner is rubber covered and outer nylon lined so oil makes them swell up

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #273 on: November 08, 2019, 04:56:02 PM »
Along with fitting a nice new pair of pattern mirrors which arrived from Thailand, It's just about finished, though I still have to play with the flooding carb, if playing with the float level continues to be elusive I may try different combinations of needle and seat, I currently have the original needle and an aftermarket  carb kit seat, with a new float. A real ball ache but I'm sure I'll sort it eventually. At the moment I can get no fuel in the bowl, or dripping out of the overflow. Looking at the Honda Twins forum it seems I'm not alone. Somewhere in between must be a happy medium.

An old post but wondering if these were the mirrors that you were referring to in your post that you got from Thailand:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB750-CB750F-CB750K-CB-750-F-K-10mm-Chrome-Steel-Metal-Mirror-Round-Pair/302394106514?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3De6d4e7fc7723492bbb7510fe52aaad3e%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D401703099893%26itm%3D302394106514%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Acbeacbe5-0246-11ea-b481-74dbd1801ea2%7Cparentrq%3A4be5971d16e0a9e0f644e485ffff1730%7Ciid%3A1



If so how have you found them and did you get stung for import duty, VAT and handling?

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #274 on: November 26, 2019, 10:06:35 AM »
Yes they are the same ones.

They took a while to turn up, but hey, free postage from the other side of the planet, fit perfectly and look like OEM quality. No vibration dramas in use either, so much better than the tatty and mismatched pair that came with the bike. No VAT charged, which was a surprise, even the smallest items from the USA seem to cop for it.

My friend in the bike trade came round yesterday, he is going to operate on the silencer by cutting a panel out from behind, and has a cunning plan to secure any loose tinware he finds.
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #275 on: November 26, 2019, 11:05:34 AM »
Yes they are the same ones.

They took a while to turn up, but hey, free postage from the other side of the planet, fit perfectly and look like OEM quality. No vibration dramas in use either, so much better than the tatty and mismatched pair that came with the bike. No VAT charged, which was a surprise, even the smallest items from the USA seem to cop for it.

My friend in the bike trade came round yesterday, he is going to operate on the silencer by cutting a panel out from behind, and has a cunning plan to secure any loose tinware he finds.

Thanks for the reply about the mirrors. You were certainly lucky with no import charges, VAT and handling.

I will see how I get on?

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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #276 on: January 10, 2020, 03:48:58 PM »
A quick update, one year and 600 miles after coming back to life, she's still going strong, lots of fun to ride, and I've met plenty of people who are genuinely interested, never having seen a CL450 before.

I took the exhaust off last weekend, using a torch to look through the hole where the lower header pipe goes into the silencer, you can see a short piece of tube loose inside, causing the awful rattle. I have given it to my mate Mark, before cutting a piece out of the back to get it out, he's going to try and fish the loose bit over to the inlet hole. then try and cut it up somehow, so it can maybe be extracted without invasive surgery.

The bike ran fine despite the rattle, so it can obviously make do without the loose part.

New CL450 exhausts continue to be made of unobtanium, unless you are James, of course. DK had a fairly rough system on Ebay for £400 last week, I passed but it sold quickly. They have a K5 project bike up for sale at the moment, complete with comedy apehangers. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Honda-CL450K5-Unregistered-US-Import-Barn-Find-Classic-Restoration-Project/312936621152
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #277 on: January 11, 2020, 04:38:56 PM »
Well, as proof that there are still some clever folk around, I got my exhaust system back today, uncut, and the piece of baffle that Mark had extracted from it.

He'd hung the pipe from the ceiling, and coaxed the loose piece to the hole where the lower header pipe goes into the silencer. As the loose piece (a flat piece of steel, no rust so snapped off by vibration) was bigger than the hole it had to come through, he got two long thin pieces of steel and cut slots in them, longways. He attached a couple of bits of steel to the uncut ends at right angles, to make two 'T Piece' type tools. He then, after some trial and error, manged the get both slots over each end of the loose piece, and literally rolled it up, like an old fashioned sardine can lid, the type that came with a key.



Here is the pipe as returned, with a partly unrolled offending loose piece of baffle. Once i get a couple of new copper exhaust port gaskets I'll be back on the road, but without the eyebrow raising rattle that made most people fear the worst was about to happen.
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #278 on: January 11, 2020, 06:57:28 PM »
Good work! Is he a part time gynaecologist as well? ☺
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #279 on: January 11, 2020, 07:05:59 PM »
Is he a part time gynaecologist as well? ☺

Funny you should say that, indeed he does have a keen interest in that field, but strictly on an amateur basis.  ;)
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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #280 on: January 12, 2020, 12:13:15 AM »
That’s a seriously good save. Nice.


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Re: 1969 CL450 US Barn Find Restoration
« Reply #281 on: January 12, 2020, 01:14:13 PM »
Is he a part time gynaecologist as well? ☺

Funny you should say that, indeed he does have a keen interest in that field, but strictly on an amateur basis.  ;)

Ha ha! 😁
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