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Replacement Honda keys
« on: January 13, 2018, 05:18:06 PM »
Also lost in the van robbery (covered in another thread) was two sets of keys, one for my CB350F and one for my CB1300. The 350F will be easy to sort out, just a new lock from DSS as they didn't match anyway. The hard one is the CB1300 with the immobiliser. Any ideas on how I can get another key without all the Honda main agent nonsense. Still needs to be chipped obviously. Cheers.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 05:25:28 PM »
Hmm dodgy do you have a spare for the 1300?
When I bought my Guzzi it only had one key I was told you had to get a complete lock set and ECU by Guzzi dealers.
A key cutting firm Iv used for years said they were talking crap and cut and programed two new keys within seconds.

What make is the ignition I can try and find out Monday if he can do them.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 05:38:19 PM »
I do have a spare key. Can't check the ignition make as the bikes not at home. Since the key went with the van I thought I had better move the bike elsewhere in case they came back. Last time I lost a key I had to order a blank from the main agent then get it cut at a locksmiths. Then the key and the bike along with the V5 and proof of identity had to go to the agents for the key to be programed. All in all a right royal pain in the a**e, and over £100.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2018, 05:51:08 PM »
That's not to bad then at least you should be able to clone a key.
Unfortunately most modern keys cost over £100 now.
I think the locksmith I use has the newer style Honda blanks.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 06:17:58 PM »
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 07:23:45 PM »
I only had one key for my Deauville and was told the same that if I lost it I would need a new ECU so I went to a local Auto lock shop (Access locks) who cut and chipped a new one for me for £70, he would not cut and chip a new Honda blank that I had as he was only allowed to use the company blanks. There is a way to DIY with a special lead but it sounded a bit dodgy to me.

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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 07:32:06 PM »
With a little Googling it looks like you can program the keys for the HISS system DIY style.
You can even buy the leads too do so ready made off eBay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hiss-Key-Programming-Registration-Tool-Honda-Motorcycles-H-I-S-S-System-Tool/221441256688?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda&hash=item338eed6cf0:g:uWIAAOSwc49Y8QxM

https://www.o2eliminators.com/honda-hiss-key-programing-instructions
That looks very simple, or is it too simple to be true. I'm told DSS used to sell those adapter leads but no longer do. Anybody tried it, does it work?
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2018, 08:18:26 PM »
I have a 2000 Fireblade with the HISS system. Bought a blank key with the chip in off Ebay for £12, got it cut for another £10.

To program it was a 2 min job and you DO NOT need any special lead, just a resistor from Maplin for about 20p and a couple of old bits of wire.

From memory, you disconnected a 2 pin connector on the rhs which is the pulse generator. The cable that goes to the pulse generator, one pin goes to ground and the other to 12 via the resistor. Turn the bike on with the good key and the HISS led flashes in some special order, take the good key out and put your new key in, job done.
Did mine about a year ago, still good.

I'll see if i can dig out the instructions.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2018, 08:23:27 PM »
1) You need, 2 croc clips, wire 100K Ohm resistor, 2 small spade connectors ( to jam in pulse generator connector)
2) Cut the red wire in the middle and solder the resistor in line. Cover completely with tape
3) Attach croc clips to one end of each of the red and black wires (solder or simply crimp with a vice or good pliers). Cover connection with tape
4) Attach spade connectors to other end of each wire. Crimp or solder.
5) Remove bike riders seat (two hex socket bolts)
6) Remove tank securing bolt
7) Remove two tank bracket bolts
8) Raise tank and wedge something underneath to keep raised.
9) Look for a Red connector that is in a black sheathed line from the top of the clutch cover to the wiring loom that runs parallel with the RHS of the tank. (This is the Ignition Pulse signal wire)
10) Disconnect the red connector. The male end (the two prongs in the connector) has two wires - 1 Yellow and 1 White/Yellow (mine had faded to look mostly white) that run to the loom & onto the ECU
11) I found that I had to squish the female spade connectors a bit in order to get a tight fit on the male connector prongs - a bit of trial and error.
12) Attach the BLACK cable spade to the prong attached to the White/Yellow loom cable and the RED cable spade connector to the prong attached the Yellow loom cable.
13) Make sure your ignition is turned off
13) Attach the red croc clip to the positive + terminal of the battery and the black croc clip to the negative - terminal
14) Put the WORKING key into ignition and turn on
15) The HISS Green LED in tacho face the will come on and stay on
16) Disconnect the red clip from the battery - HISS LED stays on
17) Wait 2 or more seconds - the HISS LED should start flashing four times and repeat this pattern
18) Turn off ignition and remove the WORKING key. The ECU is now in programming mode.
19) Insert your new key (make sure it's one with a transponder in it) and turn on ignition . A pattern of four flashes of the LED means the key has coded! Turn off ignition.
20) You can repeat this process for two more keys (meaning you can have a total of 4 programmed keys).
21) Remove the croc clips and spade connectors and dont forget to re-connect the Ignition Pulse red connector
22) Re-bolt the tank bracket and tank
23) Replace seat and you are done.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2018, 08:52:31 PM »
Forgot to mention, once you have programmed your new key to your existing key they will be the only 2 keys that will work.

So if the stolen key was used to try and start it, you could unlock the bike obviously but the fuel pump doesn't prime.

Found this out by accident, bought my Fireblade off a mate with only one key, bought and programmed the second key.

My mate finds the spare key so now I have 3 keys, but this one no longer works, fuel pump doesn't prime.

If I want this key to work, I have to program all 3 together. I'll get round to it one day.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2019, 08:23:37 PM »
Forgot to mention, once you have programmed your new key to your existing key they will be the only 2 keys that will work.

So if the stolen key was used to try and start it, you could unlock the bike obviously but the fuel pump doesn't prime.

Found this out by accident, bought my Fireblade off a mate with only one key, bought and programmed the second key.

My mate finds the spare key so now I have 3 keys, but this one no longer works, fuel pump doesn't prime.

If I want this key to work, I have to program all 3 together. I'll get round to it one day.

So say I had two keys to start with,. original keys. If I buy another blank key from David Silver for example and go through the process you kindly posted above, I would have to re-code my second orig key along with the new one and this would work? I thought the chips in the keys could only be coded one time.  I guess the code is the same in both the orig keys, but you found out the found spare key would no longer work.  Is there a time limit on doing this whole process? I read somewhere has to be done in 10 seconds.

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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2019, 08:28:27 PM »
You put your original working key in (step 14) and all your new keys after that will be programmed to the original working key.

Dont think there is a limit to how many times you can program keys, the only limit is you can have a maximum of 4 keys.

Once the programming sequence has started, you must program all your new keys one after the other.

I only had one original key for my bike, i bought another blank, got it cut then programmed this to match the original.

Then my mate who i bought the bike off found the spare key, gave it to me but this one now no longer works. The starter just spins and the bike wont fire.
If i want this one to work, ill have to start the process again and program the 3 together, one of the working ones and next working one and then the non working one.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2019, 07:31:28 PM »
Cor some whizzoes on this forum. Wish I understood electrics better.
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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2019, 11:46:49 AM »
With a little Googling it looks like you can program the keys for the HISS system DIY style.
You can even buy the leads too do so ready made off eBay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hiss-Key-Programming-Registration-Tool-Honda-Motorcycles-H-I-S-S-System-Tool/221441256688?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda&hash=item338eed6cf0:g:uWIAAOSwc49Y8QxM

https://www.o2eliminators.com/honda-hiss-key-programing-instructions
That looks very simple, or is it too simple to be true. I'm told DSS used to sell those adapter leads but no longer do. Anybody tried it, does it work?
I can confirm from experience that the above procedure is cheap and simple and does indeed work. No need to spend over a £100 with a Honda dealer, plus you have the leads for next time.
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Triumph Trident 660 in Black/White
Triumph T100C
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Honda CB450K0 Black Bomber
Honda CB750K5 in Planet Blue Metallic (Current Project)

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Re: Replacement Honda keys
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2019, 10:08:25 AM »
Cor some whizzoes on this forum. Wish I understood electrics better.

I'm an electronics engineer, I spend my days in hospitals fixing MRI scanners.
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