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Re: My 750F2 project.
« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2024, 08:13:15 PM »
For us on here ordinarily accustomed to std Honda pistons and their metallurgy https://www.jepistons.com/je-auto-blog/2618-vs-4032-piston-material-differences/ gives good appreciation of that supplier and the alloy specified as used here.

You can see,  just within their own range of alloy, that 2618 expands at + 15% over the alternative, let alone the stuff we are referencing and of cast higher silicone content Honda OEM parts....these effectively expanding more or less a match with the cylinder construction.

They'll get to the same clearance once warmed up though.

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« Reply #91 on: February 27, 2024, 05:54:27 AM »
Not much to show for at the moment, but I have my spare set of cylinders (2 cracked fins on one corner) sent out to the machinist recommended by many after sharing my experience.  I have also taken the delay as an opportunity to send my crank down to APE race parts in California for lightening balancing and polish of journals.

I have a balanced alternator also on the way. APE will be sending their clutch kit back with the crank which “should” bring an end to the list of purchases for the engine internals.

I have a set of ZX14 forks and triple clamps. I had previously purchased for another bike (Zrx1100) I’ve been eyeing up for duty on the front of the CB… I’m in the process of turning a new stem on the lathe, will see how things progress. I’m not in a rush to make that swap but I’m in a bit of a holding pattern at the moment so spent some time on the lathe.

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Re: My 750F2 project.
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2024, 08:26:28 AM »
For us on here ordinarily accustomed to std Honda pistons and their metallurgy https://www.jepistons.com/je-auto-blog/2618-vs-4032-piston-material-differences/ gives good appreciation of that supplier and the alloy specified as used here.

You can see,  just within their own range of alloy, that 2618 expands at + 15% over the alternative, let alone the stuff we are referencing and of cast higher silicone content Honda OEM parts....these effectively expanding more or less a match with the cylinder construction.

They'll get to the same clearance once warmed up though.


Thanks for posting this Nigel, that was an education for me. The pistons used by Morgo in their Triumph 750 conversion kits are forged. Unfortunately the person who originally built my engine decided to swap them out for Hepolite cast pistons but kept the compression really high. When I stripped the engine down after just 320 miles those cast pistons were oval!
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Re: My 750F2 project.
« Reply #93 on: February 27, 2024, 09:17:45 AM »
Very interesting link about Piston Materials Technology.

As a student back in the mid 1960's I bought a set of mint looking (used for one race) Hepolite Forged Racing Pistons for my first humble 850cc Mini at the bargain price of £25.00.

At the time I was a student living in Bradford so visited the Hepworth & Grandage Factory Trade Counter who supplied me with a complete set of new rings.  They also sold me a special set of Champion Spark Plugs for the highly tuned engine. I came out of the shop substantially poorer.

Looking back putting a used piston in my 45k mile Mini is not something I would do today. They  had cut away skirts with the oil control ring being just under the Gudgeon Pin if my old memory serves me right.
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« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2024, 02:54:40 PM »
Pressed in my new bronze Swingarm bushings last night. Also took measurements for future reference, (aka I own a lathe and should’ve made these)

Recovering from Covid, progress in the shop and life was slowed to a crawl for a bit there. Glad to make a little forward progress…


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« Reply #95 on: March 23, 2024, 02:38:51 PM »
More F2’s to work on!

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Re: My 750F2 project.
« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2024, 05:35:52 PM »
Is there a Canadian version of the phrase “ glutton for punishment “ ?


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Re: My 750F2 project.
« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2024, 05:49:19 PM »
 
                 "gourmand de punition"
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« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2024, 08:07:13 PM »
Is there a Canadian version of the phrase “ glutton for punishment “ ?
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Dad has expressed interest (has eyes on my 750), so hopefully we can make one of these his!

Plus I kinda know these F2s pretty well. I might as well continue working on restoring some to running condition!

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« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2024, 08:16:00 PM »
Good find, I've always liked the F2 as well.

Never owned one, but look after a friend's that he's owned from new.

Guess the cost it less than the original models now ?  They are an important end of line from the original "superbike" four cylinder engine architecture too.

Quite a few friends owned and ran them when new.

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« Reply #100 on: March 24, 2024, 12:02:08 AM »
I believe I can let 1-2 of the tanks go eventually…

For me as a 46yr old, and these being pretty much the same age it’s fun. Plus these being the precursor to all of the inline 4 Supersport and superbikes of the 80’s and 90’s has always made me a fan of the 750F where as the older K1-6 are more “retro” in my eyes.

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« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2024, 07:51:09 PM »
Picked up this shiny refurbished crank during lunch at the UPS depot.

Can’t wait to have this lightened and balanced beauty back inside the engine! Have a balanced stator rotor to install on the end which should make this one smoooth 836cc when put back together!

Hopefully all of my bearing clearances measure out well, and I can proceed with final assembly.






 

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