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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2019, 04:39:26 PM »
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

Not any more automatic :D
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2019, 04:49:41 PM »
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

Not any more automatic :D
They have made it all so simple for us now Paul.......what can I worry about now to keep me awake at night  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2019, 04:57:32 PM »
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .

I agree with Paul on this- the MOT man said its probably the last MOT ill ned, but im not so sure..My bike is registered September '78

I went to PO, they were unsure, so wrote 'HISTORIC' tore of the bit, got me to sign the V5 and then couldnt input the request to change!! They told me to tax it for 6 months and come bacl, which will be in the 41st year and after April 1st. Fortunately its a rural PO and they are friendly- lord help anyone in a City where there are queues...(I was the only one in the Post-Office at the time)

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2019, 04:59:04 PM »
What if your bike is Tax & Mot exempt but as we all being good citizens go to get an MOT for our piece of mind and it fails , is it still road legal as i dont need an MOT anyway or is is not road legal as its not road worthy , this is what keeps me awake at night Julie  ;D ;D

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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2019, 04:59:46 PM »
No more MOT's needed now Pat, unless you decide out of personal choice to have one done, as I do. Yes, these rural PO's are a little behind the times with their knowledge but, they do their best i suppose.
You will get a refund back for the Tax for the unused months after April 1st Pat.
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2019, 05:03:08 PM »
What if your bike is Tax & Mot exempt but as we all being good citizens go to get an MOT for our piece of mind and it fails , is it still road legal as i dont need an MOT anyway or is is not road legal as its not road worthy , this is what keeps me awake at night Julie  ;D ;D
MOT was never an indication of 'road legal' other than on the day and time the MOT was done. It has always been the owner / riders responsibility to make sure it is safe and road worthy at all times Dave. If it fails an MOT and an MOT is not needed, it doesn't make any odds, it's still failed for whatever reason and you will have to sort out the defects as it is proof it is not safe and road worthy at that time.
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2019, 05:07:33 PM »
Thanks Julie i can sleep soundly now  ;D

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2019, 05:11:32 PM »
Thanks Julie i can sleep soundly now  ;D
From .Gov Dave
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Some motorcycles of historical interest may be exempt from Statutory MOT testing. Such motorcycles must be over 40 years old and not substantially changed.

Owners of these motorcycles may still request a statutory test be conducted. In these circumstances, the test must be registered on the MOT testing service and carried out in the usual way, with the necessary documentation issued as appropriate.
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2019, 05:30:40 PM »
I taxed the CB750 this morning (1972, registered in the historic vehicle class) and using the online service, there was a message displayed that said" "this vehicle may need an MOT". However, when I selected "continue" it said "checking MOT status" and the transaction immediately showed as successful.

Last year I did, as a precaution contact the insurance brokers to ask whether with the change in the law they would express any interest in whether a valid MOT existed in case of an accident and they said that they would follow legal guidelines and if an MOT was not required by law, they have no opinion either way as to whether a voluntary MOT should be undertaken.

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2019, 05:40:42 PM »
Can I go to the post office and make my bike Historic registered right there on the computer or do i need to send forms off.  My bike would otherwise be dure for taxing on about 14th april....
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2019, 05:51:09 PM »
Can I go to the post office and make my bike Historic registered right there on the computer or do i need to send forms off.  My bike would otherwise be dure for taxing on about 14th april....
Yes, post office change it to historic there and then and they will automatically tax it for 12 months free of charge, no forms to send off. But, if it's not insured, don't forget to SORN  it straight away, otherwise you will get a stroppy letter from the MIB.
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2019, 06:02:09 PM »
Can I go to the post office and make my bike Historic registered right there on the computer or do i need to send forms off.  My bike would otherwise be dure for taxing on about 14th april....
Yes, post office change it to historic there and then and they will automatically tax it for 12 months free of charge, no forms to send off. But, if it's not insured, don't forget to SORN  it straight away, otherwise you will get a stroppy letter from the MIB.

The PO will send off the form for you and leave you with the last part- They could do mine as it coupldnt be entered as Historic- they just wrote HISTORIC on section 7. I had called the DVLA this morning (as 2 tax reminders arrived) and after the obligatory 20 minute-wait, I was told to take the form to the PO...They also said my bike wasnt registered officially with them until December '78, which didnt accord with my Log book- which stated September '78. So, i can only assume that Dealers were up to the same tricks back then of pre-registering bikes before they were sold? i don't know, as theres no way I could have AFFORDED a BN bike in '78 as I was a young lift engineer and I had just got married!
The whole MOT thing is a separate issue that has gathered some steam above. My last MOT in Sept 18 was a failure- cracked front tyre, which I didn’t spot- it took some finding as the tread was a-plenty. I had the discussion with the Tester as I knew the 40-year-old thing was upon me in my favour.. He said that some come back every year, regardless. For me, still at work, MOTs and that malarkey always come around when I’m too busy to get one due to work and bad-planning. Ive 4 cars and 3 bikes that all need them, I’ve one that’s overdue, but I can’t be arsed to take my R1 out in this weather and on salty roads as its been mine since new. (Y-reg) So, I note others see the MOT as a 3rd set of eyes and Ill probably do the same. The Road-tax thing is just a principal- my RRS tax also arrived today which is £550. £68 is small-beans  for the 400/4 

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2019, 07:46:47 PM »
£68 is small-beans  for the 400/4 
LOL! Not if you've been nearly bankrupted this past year getting one up to her standard now.  ;D ...and I've got my expensive sister coming over from Germany visiting for a week!
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2019, 10:04:33 AM »
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

true, but there is always the niggle in the back of my mind "what if it didn't happen automatically" so i have always filled one out and keep it with the registration docs for any 'historic' vehicle i have had. 
You don't even have to fill in a V112 now as it is automatically knows that if the bike is old enough to be eligible to change the taxation class to historic, its old enough to be MOT exempt. Up until recently a V112 was needed to be completed but no any more.

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2019, 10:10:29 AM »
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .

I agree with Paul on this- the MOT man said its probably the last MOT ill ned, but im not so sure..My bike is registered September '78

I went to PO, they were unsure, so wrote 'HISTORIC' tore of the bit, got me to sign the V5 and then couldnt input the request to change!! They told me to tax it for 6 months and come bacl, which will be in the 41st year and after April 1st. Fortunately its a rural PO and they are friendly- lord help anyone in a City where there are queues...(I was the only one in the Post-Office at the time)

We will see!

'cos it not 'historic' until 1st april 2019 (like mine) - i can't say i followed the dvla explanation but i think it's something to do with the 'old' system of applicable dates that were used way back with the paper based system (rather like they can't/won't issue a tax by the day which with an electronic system would be easy to do but they rather stick with the old 'first of the month' system)

 

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