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Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« on: March 06, 2019, 02:26:52 PM »
Hi- Has anyone had any problems with road tax and the 40-year Rule?
My 400/4 according to my log book was registered 1st in September 1978
However, I recived a V11 today to ask me to pay for road tax.
i called the DVLA and they said becuase their databse states my bike wasnt actually registered until December of 1978...? despite the log book suggesting differently, I have to go to a tax office and get a new log book?

Sound a load of beuracratic b**** to me, but has anyone else had simlar experience?

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2019, 02:31:54 PM »
The phrase is "date of manufacture "
You may need a dating letter.But
You need to change taxation class to HISTORIC
you should be able to do this at P.O. counter

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2019, 02:46:57 PM »
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2019, 03:00:28 PM »
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2019, 03:23:18 PM »
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
It is very, very simple Paul. A lot of people are under the impression that the day their bike turns 40 years old from the date of reg or manufacture, it's entitled to be changed to historic with FOC tax. This is wrong. The bike actually has to be in its 41st year to qualify . The new date each year is April 1st each year. Only exception is if the bike was registered Jan 1st - 7th in its in it's 41st year, DVLA will change it the year before.
I  have another bike which still isn't entitled to Historic until April 1st this year and that's a 78 on an S reg. Letter from DVLA explaining all attached. This letter is dated May 18.

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2019, 03:36:17 PM »
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well.
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2019, 03:50:41 PM »
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
It is very, very simple Paul. A lot of people are under the impression that the day their bike turns 40 years old from the date of reg or manufacture, it's entitled to be changed to historic with FOC tax. This is wrong. The bike actually has to be in its 41st year to qualify . The new date each year is April 1st each year. Only exception is if the bike was registered Jan 1st - 7th in its in it's 41st year, DVLA will change it late the year before.
I  have another bike which still isn't entitled to Historic until April 1st this year and that's a 78 on an S reg. Letter from DVLA explaining all attached. This letter is dated May 18.

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Correct Julie, but a vehicle manufactured on the 31st of December 1978, starts its 41st year on the 1st of January 2019 not the first of April, the government needs to adopt the KISS method.

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2019, 03:56:53 PM »
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2019, 04:00:16 PM »
On or after April 1st this year, ie, 3 weeks, you will be able to do it at the post office Pat. It's not officially entitled to free tax until then. I will be doing my Sept 78 reg then as well. Because you are trying to do it early ( the official date each year is April 1st) DVLA would want a dating cert to prove when it was manufacturered. No point in paying for that, just wait 3 weeks.

I found it really simple at my local post office which does road tax she did it there and then and sent off my V5.
I read last night on the .gov web site that you don’t now have to apply for MOT exemption it automatically qualifies after 40 years.
Anyone else seen this.
My 400/4 is already registered tax exempt and the 550/4 becomes eligible in April
It is very, very simple Paul. A lot of people are under the impression that the day their bike turns 40 years old from the date of reg or manufacture, it's entitled to be changed to historic with FOC tax. This is wrong. The bike actually has to be in its 41st year to qualify . The new date each year is April 1st each year. Only exception is if the bike was registered Jan 1st - 7th in its in it's 41st year, DVLA will change it late the year before.
I  have another bike which still isn't entitled to Historic until April 1st this year and that's a 78 on an S reg. Letter from DVLA explaining all attached. This letter is dated May 18.

(Attachment Link)
Correct Julie, but a vehicle manufactured on the 31st of December 1978, starts its 41st year on the 1st of January 2019 not the first of April, the government needs to adopt the KISS method.
HM Gov are there to confuse us and KISS will never come in to it. But, saying that, it sort of makes sense. On our 60th Birthday (for example) we are not fully 60 until day 365 when we have a 61st Birthday but we are in our 61st year throughout those previous 364 days. I think this is how DVLA worked it out.......there must have been a lot of women using women's logic in the decision making  ;D
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2019, 04:01:30 PM »
Taken from the .gov website  :)

What you have to do

You must apply for a vehicle tax exemption to stop paying vehicle tax. This is sometimes called putting a vehicle into the ‘historic tax class’.

You do not have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle each year. However, you must still keep it in a roadworthy condition.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2019, 04:03:52 PM »
Julie,
                  I understand the tax as I have already done the 400/4 last year.
It was the MOT thing I was reading where it stated that you did not have to apply for the MOT exemption it automatically qualified after the 40th year .
I saw that too Paul. That makes sense now as before, the way the dates were set differently by two different gov depts, a vehicle could become MOT exempt on its 40th birthday but not Historic until many months later.
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2019, 04:04:48 PM »
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19
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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2019, 04:24:15 PM »
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)

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Re: Road Tax- 1978 registered bike-400/4
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2019, 04:28:49 PM »
my date of first reg is 13/09/1978 but the tax in only 'free' after 01/04/2019 as julie has already points out (i checked this with dvla).

if in any doubt just give them as call give them the reg no and they will check what date applies.

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2019, 04:36:16 PM »
By the way re-taxed the 400/4 on the website last night £0  ;D ;D ;D The MOT does not run out untill the end of May 19

at which point you have to complete a v112 'declaration of exemption from mot' as, in theory, you have to produce it if asked (although i have no idea who is going to ask as you don't have to pay road tax and i doubt if the police will ask!)
You don't even have to fill in a V112 now as it is automatically knows that if the bike is old enough to be eligible to change the taxation class to historic, its old enough to be MOT exempt. Up until recently a V112 was needed to be completed but no any more.
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