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Front brakes
« on: April 09, 2019, 01:46:38 PM »
I've refurbed the master cylinder and put a new piston and seal in the brake caliper. Bled the brakes and adjusted the screw as per manual. When the brake is applied it bites fine but doesn't release properly when you stop. If I get a wedge between the disk and caliper body I can move it slightly then the binding stops. It is definitely binding rather than a little drag.

Is this normal, will it free off in use and has anyone come across this before please?

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Re: Front brakes
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 02:00:45 PM »
Assuming the piston itself can move without binding in the caliper body,  then it's most affected by the seal.

It's the function of the seal along with the groove in which it sits that withdraws the piston when lever is released.

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Image (not that clear but good illustration)  shows how the seal deforms under application,  then retracts piston when fluid pressure subsides to give running clearance.

If piston is binding then seal can't exert enough pull to get it back down bore.

You needed to be absolutely scrupulous in cleaning that seal groove very carefully to make it work as originally.

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Re: Front brakes
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2019, 02:05:22 PM »
Assuming the piston itself can move without binding in the caliper body,  then it's most affected by the seal.

It's the function of the seal along with the groove in which it sits that withdraws the piston when lever is released.

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Image (not that clear but good illustration)  shows how the seal deforms under application,  then retracts piston when fluid pressure subsides to give running clearance.

If piston is binding then seal can't exert enough pull to get it back down bore.

You needed to be absolutely scrupulous in cleaning that seal groove very carefully to make it work as originally.

Hmm, that makes sense but it's a new aftermarket body from DSS. The bleed nipple wouldn't seal on the original, which explains why it was covered in PTFE when I bought it.

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Re: Front brakes
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2019, 02:48:36 PM »
Doesn't seem like you've missed anything in the hydraulic operation of it, assuming that the pattern design follows faithfully the original in regard to the seal and groove.

Another more fundamental hang up could be the moving pad being painted round it's perimeter,  in effect snagging on the outer caliper bore.

You may have to dissemble it to verify it's not causing you an unintentional problem.

Some of the rear disc mastercylinder hang up like this from the return hole into the reservoir being impeded.  Application goes OK,  but seals don't haven't enough grunt to clear the fluid back up the line to give clearance at the pad..

They are only simple systems,  it's usually one on these that leaves it hanging.

As regards dragging,  you can usually just hear them as you spin the wheel when lifted,  but not feel any drag at all if all is working OK.

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Re: Front brakes
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2019, 03:55:53 PM »
Doesn't seem like you've missed anything in the hydraulic operation of it, assuming that the pattern design follows faithfully the original in regard to the seal and groove.

Another more fundamental hang up could be the moving pad being painted round it's perimeter,  in effect snagging on the outer caliper bore.

You may have to dissemble it to verify it's not causing you an unintentional problem.

Some of the rear disc mastercylinder hang up like this from the return hole into the reservoir being impeded.  Application goes OK,  but seals don't haven't enough grunt to clear the fluid back up the line to give clearance at the pad..

They are only simple systems,  it's usually one on these that leaves it hanging.

As regards dragging,  you can usually just hear them as you spin the wheel when lifted,  but not feel any drag at all if all is working OK.

You sussed it I think. Removed caliper and gave it a severe looking at.  :P Couldn't remove the NOS pad as it was stuck fast. Got the piston and pad out using compressed air and saw that the outer edge was rusty in places. Cleaned it off, polished the piston, washed everything in brake cleaner and it's good to go. One more job down, few more to go.

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Re: Front brakes
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2019, 07:25:41 PM »


   might be worthwhile to get a new seal,

 its amazing the difference a flexible seal makes
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