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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2019, 10:53:43 AM »
Personally I find it far easier to fasten the removing tool in the vice and put the wheel on top and then use the wheel to undo the retainers and  never had a problem doing it that way.

Unfortunately I had already removed the spokes and hub

Same here ...I did that too... removed rim and spokes before getting the retainer unscrewed  :(

David Silver sells a repro. retainer for £21 inc VAT.

https://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/CB500K0-FOUR-1971-USA/part_218973/

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2019, 11:43:46 AM »
Well I've had an update, they welded a huge bar to it and it still wouldn't move. He said the guys had never seen anything like it.
I guess I'll be looking for an new hub.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2019, 11:51:09 AM »
Well I've had an update, they welded a huge bar to it and it still wouldn't move. He said the guys had never seen anything like it.
I guess I'll be looking for an new hub.

Worst Job I have ever had to do on a Honda by a mile. The steel brake liners in those hubs are prone to cracking too which makes them a bit hard to find. Can't they machine the old retainer out?
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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2019, 02:07:09 PM »
Well I've had an update, they welded a huge bar to it and it still wouldn't move. He said the guys had never seen anything like it.
I guess I'll be looking for an new hub.

Worst Job I have ever had to do on a Honda by a mile. The steel brake liners in those hubs are prone to cracking too which makes them a bit hard to find. Can't they machine the old retainer out?

I asked but they said no.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2019, 02:09:48 PM »
One rear wheel for sale in the UK currently but they want 270 +P&P which is nearly half what I paid for the entire bike.

Edit..... I've found a 500T hub on ebay for 20 quid. Does anybody know if they are the same? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CB500T-REAR-WHEEL-HUB/173973870328?hash=item2881a696f8:g:I1wAAOSwiZtdNqqt
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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2019, 02:29:38 PM »
If you are really looking at a total loss on this one then maybe something unusual could be considered.

I've moved components that are really really stuck by using an SDS hammer drill with rotary stop function to drive drifts etc and get things moving. You'd need a cold chisel tool that the end can be ground to make a hammer type face.

The idea is to use the hammer on the extraction tool to drive it,  they usually start off with no movement but persistence with medium pressure usually results in any bond breaking down.

You don't have to lean on it like you're trying to break concrete,  but a long consistent pressure normally gets anything moving.

Oh,  and they'd definitely need ear defenders as it can take more than 10 mins to make something move.  But once it starts you've usually solved it.

If the extractor has a hole in it they can use a long bolt through the bearing to keep engagement with the ring and not slip out.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2019, 02:33:41 PM »
If you are really looking at a total loss on this one then maybe something unusual could be considered.

I've moved components that are really really stuck by using an SDS hammer drill with rotary stop function to drive drifts etc and get things moving. You'd need a cold chisel tool that the end can be ground to make a hammer type face.

The idea is to use the hammer on the extraction tool to drive it,  they usually start off with no movement but persistence with medium pressure usually results in any bond breaking down.

You don't have to lean on it like you're trying to break concrete,  but a long consistent pressure normally gets anything moving.

Oh,  and they'd definitely need ear defenders as it can take more than 10 mins to make something move.  But once it starts you've usually solved it.

If the extractor has a hole in it they can use a long bolt through the bearing to keep engagement with the ring and not slip out.

Thanks, I'll give that a go if I can't find a replacement. I'd have to get Hagon to send it back to me first. Also, I have a feeling if their machine shop guys who have a wealth of experience dealing with wheels and have a lot more heavy duty machinery than me can't do it then I definitely won't be able to.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2019, 02:40:54 PM »
One rear wheel for sale in the UK currently but they want 270 +P&P which is nearly half what I paid for the entire bike.

Edit..... I've found a 500T hub on ebay for 20 quid. Does anybody know if they are the same? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CB500T-REAR-WHEEL-HUB/173973870328?hash=item2881a696f8:g:I1wAAOSwiZtdNqqt
They have different parts numbers...

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2019, 02:46:39 PM »
According to CSMNL these have the same hub.
fits models
CB500 JAPAN

CB500K0 FOUR 1971 USA

CB500K0 FOUR AUSTRALIA

CB500K0 FOUR ENGLAND

CB500K0 FOUR EUROPEAN DIRECT SALES

CB500K0 FOUR FRANCE

CB500K0 FOUR GENERAL EXPORT

CB500K0 FOUR GERMANY

CB500K0 FOUR NETHERLANDS

CB500K1 FOUR 1972 USA

CB500K1 FOUR ENGLAND

CB500K1 FOUR EUROPEAN DIRECT SALES

CB500K1 FOUR FRANCE

CB500K1 FOUR GENERAL EXPORT

CB500K1 FOUR GERMANY

CB500K1 JAPAN

CB500K2 FOUR 1973 USA

CB500K2 GENERAL EXPORT

CB500P JAPAN

CB550 FOUR 1975 CB550K0 USA

CB550 K1 FOUR 1975 USA

CB550 K2 FOUR 1976 USA

CB550F SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1975 CB550FK0 USA

CB550F SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 USA

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 AUSTRALIA

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 CANADA

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 ENGLAND

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 EUROPEAN DIRECT SALES

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 FRANCE

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 GENERAL EXPORT KPH

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 GENERAL EXPORT MPH

CB550F1 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1976 GERMANY

CB550F2 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1977 EUROPEAN DIRECT SALES

CB550F2 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1977 FRANCE

CB550F2 SUPER SPORT 550 FOUR 1977 GERMANY

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2019, 02:50:21 PM »
They all have the -323- middlenumber, whereas the CB500T had -426-.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2019, 02:51:56 PM »
Hmm ok thanks for the info guys.
I'm sure one will pop up at some point. In the meantime at least I'll have a nice new front wheel ready to go.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2019, 03:59:10 PM »
I’m surprised they can’t just drill the ring in two places, and split the retaining ring with a chisel. Took me about 15 minutes to get mine out this way. It destroys the retaining ring, but if done correctly, there’s no damage to the hub or the threads and the new retaining ring screws in without issue.
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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2019, 04:17:54 PM »
Eight0 I have a rear hub that you can have only problem is it need a new liner as old one is cracked.
In fact if you can get up to Kettering way I’ve a bag of stuff that you can have which includes brake plate with new shoes.

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2019, 04:50:22 PM »
Eight0 I have a rear hub that you can have only problem is it need a new liner as old one is cracked.
In fact if you can get up to Kettering way I’ve a bag of stuff that you can have which includes brake plate with new shoes.

Clive you legend! I don't have a car to get up to you unfortunately (not really needed in London) I'll send you a PM. How do you replace the liner and do you know where I can get one from? could I use the one from the hub I have?

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Re: Rear wheel bearing retainer stuck
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2019, 05:54:57 PM »
No as they are cast in but somewhere on the site is an address for a man in Huddersfield who will machine out the old one and shrink a new piece of cast in and machine that to size.

 

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