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DS getting this in to sell. Claims early 3-digit VIN and price to match but no squared off top case that AFAIK went on into the 3000's VIN's

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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2019, 11:30:15 AM »
Should be like this  :)

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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2019, 01:55:12 PM »
Do you think it could have had an engine change Ash?
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2019, 01:59:23 PM »
Do you think it could have had an engine change Ash?

Possibly Julie ... I did ask the question on his FB site but no reply yet. Seriously devalues it if it has though and not worth what he is asking IMHO. But JamesH is the man on value of these early VINS.
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2019, 02:01:58 PM »
Do you think it could have had an engine change Ash?

Possibly Julie ... I did ask the question on his FB site but no reply yet. Seriously devalues it if it has though and not worth what he is asking IMHO.
So unusual to see a USA bike with such incredibly high mileage. Maybe this one has been clocked forward, not backwards 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2019, 02:45:33 PM »
David himself just replied to my FB message and said somebody else had already pointed it out. He says he is looking into it.

Agree Julie ...unusual to see a USA bike with that milage and no way would the gearbox bearings have survived those miles so I bet you are correct and the engine has been swopped. I suppose that's one plus about DK .. they always give the frame VIN and engine numbers in their listings.
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2019, 03:08:31 PM »
Can someone explain what this squared off case is as i have never understood it
My bike is a K0 US import with engine no starting 104 but not sure if it is squared off

Pics of squared and later non squared would be really helpful
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2019, 06:31:06 PM »
Can someone explain what this squared off case is as i have never understood it
My bike is a K0 US import with engine no starting 104 but not sure if it is squared off

Pics of squared and later non squared would be really helpful
look further back in this post Paul and there is a pic of my early crankcases VIN less than 10000 ...just !
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2019, 08:00:27 PM »
aha so is it that lump I am looking for that your red arrow points at?
Also my engine no is 1041032  is this a K0 unit, not sure of how the numbering went
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2019, 11:49:39 PM »
aha so is it that lump I am looking for that your red arrow points at?
Also my engine no is 1041032  is this a K0 unit, not sure of how the numbering went


Yes Paul Yours is a K0,  as the K1 VINS started with a 2. Yours should have round pin multi-connectors and the large block pattern seat, small reflectors on fork ears  and shallow grab rail etc. Bryan and Trig will hopefully confirm this to be correct.
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2019, 06:34:42 AM »
aha so is it that lump I am looking for that your red arrow points at?
Also my engine no is 1041032  is this a K0 unit, not sure of how the numbering went


Yes Paul Yours is a K0,  as the K1 VINS started with a 2. Yours should have round pin multi-connectors and the large block pattern seat, small reflectors on fork ears  and shallow grab rail etc. Bryan and Trig will hopefully confirm this to be correct.

Thanks so mine looks all original K0 except for the grab rail which I think is not the shallow one or am I wrong

Talking of round pins anyone know a source of replacement pins, my oil light connection is a bit of a bodge up at the moment
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2019, 08:05:21 AM »
Your grab rail looks spot on K0 to me Paul. Round pins are the same as the ones used on the ignition switch connector (brown plastic housing) early 250/350K and CB750. I think
 Vintage Connections in the States do them but BigAl on here may know a source in Europe. Think yours should have Japan sticker on side panels but Bryan will know for sure. Lovely looking bike BTW !!
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2019, 12:56:35 PM »
on the two photo's at the top of this thread. Unless it is a really subtle difference that requires a "zoom in" to spot,  the crankcases look the same??

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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2019, 03:14:45 PM »
on the two photo's at the top of this thread. Unless it is a really subtle difference that requires a "zoom in" to spot,  the crankcases look the same??
Need to zoom yea .... but deffo a subtle difference which means engine probably swapped.
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Re: Supposed to be early 3-digit VIN but doesn't have early crankcases?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2019, 04:11:39 PM »
Crankcases are 100% wrong for a 3-digit 500 K0. I’ve seen square cases up to about 3200 engine vin..

 

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