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Offline AndyD

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Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« on: January 03, 2020, 05:33:53 PM »
Hi,
Finally getting around to doing some work on the CB400F and have been going through boxes of bits and cleaning parts to start working out what needs replacing etc.
As a first area I've pulled together the cam chain tensioner parts and have a couple of questions - hopefully photos attached show relevant bits.
The horseshoe has been savaged by the cam chain and is stiff to move - is the damage too bad or is it OK to 'tidy' this up so the pivot moves smoothly and re-use?
The two chain guides are still flexible and no sign of cracks etc. - should these be replaced or OK to retain?
Looks like someone got creative with the special bolt and made this one up from a standard bolt so I'll replace this

Trying to keep budget down on this rebuild as the bike is a bit tired and lots of non-standard parts - had a good but hard life by the look of it - hence trying to reuse whatever is reasonable rather than bring back to original glory.

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2020, 05:52:00 PM »
If you can get the horseshoe pivot to move freely under its own weight it ought to be OK the bolt/nut whilst not original will work but leak oil as there should be a sealing washer between nut and crankcase with a bigger thread on nut to bolt, the cushion looks OK  and the tensioner is not badly worn and can be changed without a majour stripdown anyway

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2020, 07:49:34 PM »
Thanks
I’ll give the horseshoe a clean up and see if it frees up OK
Good news that other bits look alright

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Andy

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2020, 07:56:39 PM »
I have freed these of by cutting a slit down both sides. It is always worth a go as, you have nothing to lose. It has to move very freely as in pick it up and gravity should make it drop with no help  ;)

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2020, 07:58:33 PM »
How exciting. Its great that yourself and Waffey are working on your 400/4 engines at the same time..... Good luck to you both and I hope all goes well for you both .
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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2020, 08:06:00 PM »
For comparison here’s my horse shoe with damage. I used a needle file to remove the burrs and exercised it till it was free.

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2020, 08:11:28 PM »
For comparison here’s my horse shoe with damage. I used a needle file to remove the burrs and exercised it till it was free.

That's a good one.

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2020, 09:22:01 PM »
Trot or Gallop?

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2020, 09:24:24 PM »
Both of you use Loctite on the bolts holding the horseshoe seen a few fall out

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2020, 07:23:13 AM »
A light canter to the nearest pub. Cheers
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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2020, 04:07:01 PM »
Hi AndyD,

as Nurse Julie said, great we are both working on engines at the moment. //great pictures, looks like your horse shoe has wear at the top, now i'm wondering if mine is the same and that explains the few metals bits in the sump. i'll check to morrow.

did you have any metal bits in the sump filter?
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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2020, 07:14:59 PM »
Check the crankcase in the cam chain area (tunnel) for chain marks.
nice bike,nothing in the bank

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2020, 07:18:58 PM »
Yup, had a 750 once where the oil leak was from where the cam chain had worn a hole through the casting. Its a long recovery journey Gloucester to Newcastle(upon Tyne) and back in a day

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2020, 08:48:44 AM »
Many thanks all,
Had a happy session in the garage with files and Dremel and horseshoe now moves really freely so that's a real result (money saved to spend elsewhere no doubt!).
Final question re the cam chain tensioner - I assume the two dampers shown in the parts book either end of the slipper are sitting inside the two end 'cups' - all looks OK so do these need replacing or are they generally OK to leave alone?

Waffey - will be interesting to see how both engines get on.
I got this bike as a basket case in many pieces and the engine was part-dismantled so I couldn't check for any debris in the filter etc. Just going through everything as carefully as I can to see what needs fixing and so far it doesn't look too bad to my inexperienced eyes.
The previous owner had taken off the sump, cylinder head and a few other parts, had them blasted and then gave up and boxed it all up so it's a mish-mash of bits at the moment.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: Cam Chain Tensioner bits
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2020, 09:29:24 AM »
If they are brittle or showing any cracks they will need replacing  ;)

 

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