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Offline philward

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Aftermarket Coils
« on: March 25, 2020, 07:19:46 PM »
Whats caused this! Bought these from M&P and haven't started bike yet. I've been manually timing project K6 and heard a 'sizzling' - took tank off to discover this (coil was to not to touch. Checked connections and aftermarket coil yellow connected to points and black to black. The other coil is connected the same and no issues. Only time I've had ignition on is during testing of rest of electrics - maybe max 10 mins at a time
Is it just a duff coil?
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2020, 07:24:39 PM »
I would say yes

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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 07:50:09 PM »
If you’re only testing the rest of the electrics, leave the kill switch off...

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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 07:57:41 PM »
If you’re only testing the rest of the electrics, leave the kill switch off...
Never thought of that Rob! Simples!
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 08:04:14 PM »
Duff coil the other one has been energized just as long and that's fine.

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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2020, 08:51:14 PM »
Not necessarily maybe only 1 set of points were closed

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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2020, 09:18:26 PM »
Probably a low resistance coil design. It's all about Amp/Turns .. they probably reduced the number of turns of the coil to decrease resistance in order to save the cost of copper but still get the same magnetic flux. Unfortunately,  that vastly reduces the 'duty-cycle' ... meaning if you leave the coil energised  for a long period it is likely to suffer burnt out windings. Never really seen that happen on a genuine Nippon Denso coil (typical DC resistance of a Denso coil is typically around 4.5 ohms). It's different with a CDi system coil as they can be low resistance and low duty cycle because they can never experience long term continuous current flow in normal use or when the engine is static but the ignition is switched on.
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2020, 09:33:51 PM »
Not necessarily maybe only 1 set of points were closed

Quite true.

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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2020, 09:42:48 PM »
All very interesting - I've emailed M&P for a relacement. Will be careful in short term and recon a std set as per James method before I sell the bike
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2020, 11:27:13 AM »
Make sure that the coils have the same primary resistance as the originals. (3 -4 ohm).

Coils designed for use with electronic ignition systems have a very low resistance (1.5 ohm) so when the points are shut twice the current will be flowing through the system. I'm not saying that was the reason for your failure but if you fit the wrong coils the points will burn very quickly and you could damage the condensers.

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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2020, 01:20:10 PM »
All very interesting - I've emailed M&P for a relacement. Will be careful in short term and recon a std set as per James method before I sell the bike

You could also try the Ashimoto method too Phil.  ;D
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2020, 01:46:16 PM »


  not having the skill to do the Ashimoto fix,and running Boyer ignition  ,after my original packed up because of old age and cracked hard HT leads,I bought Silvers coils,they got hot and failed after about 12 months,
so I spent a little extra,and purchased Boyer compantable coils .

 now several years later,still working great
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2020, 10:19:01 PM »
All very interesting - I've emailed M&P for a relacement. Will be careful in short term and recon a std set as per James method before I sell the bike

You could also try the Ashimoto method too Phil.  ;D
I will be going that route Ash - I run the same coils on my std K2 and checked the resistence when I fitted them and they were 3 - 4 ohms.
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2020, 12:39:16 PM »
I am currently waiting for mterial to refurb original coils using Ash's method but in the meantime using the time to move the K6 Cafe Racer project on while I have the extra spare time. I am going to get it started hopefully as I only have paint and upholstry to complete bike. (when original coils refurbed, I will change the coils to the originals).
I got the replacement coil from M&P but in the time since I bought the coils, they've changed coil supplier and the new supplied coil is adifferent make to the original (and different physical size too). The wires are different colours and I dont trust either coils male/female connectors (ie, whether they connect to the correct coil polarity by merely plugging in male to femal to corrosponding harness connectors.
So, does does it matter which way around the wires are connected on coil and if so, how can I ascertain which wire on coil connects to the points?
Thanks in anticipation
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Re: Aftermarket Coils
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2020, 02:38:14 PM »
Dont matter with the twin ht coils

 

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