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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #285 on: August 10, 2021, 07:40:04 PM »
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If you just rode at 30 mph would you see the problem?

I doubt it but I'm not doing 30 on the M60 unless the traffic is bad. As with all intermittent faults you don't know that it's not fixed until it happens. Certainly I've had no problem around town, both times I was doing around 70mph. In my earlier attempt to run in by babying it (and glazing the bores) it never happened.

I suspect the fuel flow, it does act rather like that Hillman Hunter. When I drained the tank I lost patience with the pathetic flow through the tap and turned the tank upside down! I've seen a dual outlet Pingle to suit the Z1 on eBay, but its in France. I'm about to learn what happens with Eu imports post #@%$ I think. Most people have problems with cheap £20 Chinese taps leaking. Mine is a better copy from Z Power by PMC but I'm starting to think that's the problem. Un nackered genuine ones are almost unobtainable, they wear inside where the repair kits don't, they are just O rings.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #286 on: August 10, 2021, 07:56:04 PM »
I bought a replica tap for the GS and ended up with a similar problem. The drillings in the inlet side of the tap were way smaller than the outlet side. It ran like the engine was cold, 4k revs at most but it did it all the time. I stumped up £120 for a Pingle and that sorted it. Sounds a lot but they are really well made. The Pingle drillings were way larger than the cheapy.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #287 on: August 10, 2021, 08:12:05 PM »
Have you checked the vent on the petrol tank cap. I had an intermitant fuelling problem on the 500k2 that turned out to be the vent was not fully clear (wasn't fully drilled right through) on a PATTERN petrol cap. Worth a check Dave
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #288 on: August 10, 2021, 11:46:33 PM »
I went out this evening and took the tank off, opened the cap and checked the flow as it ran into a jug. Basically I have a steady stream of petrol from the feed for cylinders 1 and 2, and a pitiful dribble from the other feed.

At speed then, 1 and 2 have an adequate fuel supply, but the float levels on 3 and 4 will drop until they are too low to function, as the supply isn’t keeping up with the demand. It probably also explains why those two plugs look like they are running weak.

It’s not the cap vent as this happened with the cap open. Brace yourself wallet, we’re going for a Pingel.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #289 on: August 11, 2021, 12:59:22 PM »
I put a Pingel on mine, the PMC ones are identical to the cheapo Chinese ones of which i had both, crap, Suzuki performance spares is where i got my Pingel, i can walk there so it saved on postage.

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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #290 on: August 11, 2021, 05:42:19 PM »
I ordered the Pingel from Suzuki Performance Spares this morning, who replied to my query last night in minutes. So no point trying to improve or fix the PMC one. It is brand new, so not worn or clogged, and no blockages where I can see them.

I just want my Zed to be right, and get on with enjoying it.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #291 on: August 16, 2021, 04:20:18 PM »
The Pingel arrived and got fitted, the difference in output is like night and day, I won't be using the fuel tap as a main jet any more!

I was very concerned when the side panel didn't fit, the outlet blocks and handle were in the way. some trial and error found one (and only one) position where you can slot the panel in behind the tap and not foul it. Later I watched a Johnny's Vintage Motorcycles YouTube video that showed me just this trick! Here it is mounted with just a little black gaffa tape on the corner of the panel to protect the paint from accidents.



Saturday I went out and put some more miles on the bike, no dramas but I did get wet. Sunday I walked into the garage to be met with a smell of petrol!   >:(

It turns out that there are two types of PTFE tape in this world, and the white one I used, from the roll that has been in my toolbox forever, is what plumbers use to seal against water. That has turned to jelly, and I'm almost certain is the cause of my leak. I have just got back from Toolstation, where I bought a roll of the yellow version, which is for gas and is apparently fuel resistant.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #292 on: January 07, 2022, 01:07:50 PM »
A quick update. the bike hasn't been anywhere for a few weeks, there is salt on the roads, and it's blocked in by my 911, which kas been having an alternator repair / fan refurb. This needs doing again as there is a spacer missing and the fan is binding. Not good in an air cooled car!

Back in September I took her down to the local BMPS annual show, a few years ago my CB750 won Best Japanese Bike there, the Kawasaki went one better and won 'Best in Show'!  :D I'm now retiring her from shows, while I have a 100% record - entered one, won one.



After my teething troubles got sorted, I did another 500 miles and she now runs perfectly. My only concern is that, being well fast despite her age, when I open her up and actually hit the throttle stops, things quickly get scary. maybe it's just me getting old, but maybe it's just because that's how Kawasakis are - my only ride on a 500 H1 two stroke triple nearly ended in disaster with the bike vertical when I hit the power band with W.O.T.

However the garage is now full, and there is no room for a 'next project', so something needs to go. The HD is kept for holiday use, the CL450 is my runaround and the one bike I may keep forever, so the Z1A may be the one that goes. Plus the funds will see right for the next project, I enjoy putting bikes back on the road again, more than I actually need another one. I'm not sure what comes next, only nothing I have to kickstart, I'm through doing that.

PM me if you are interested, however it will be suitably uncheap. However, if I still have her for the Crich show in the summer, I'll stick her in the Z1OC anniversary lineup.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #293 on: January 07, 2022, 02:34:02 PM »
Well done on the win Dave. Justifies all the hours of work.
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Re: Z1 as a project?
« Reply #294 on: January 07, 2022, 04:02:39 PM »
Great result and looking at the bike and all the work involved , well deserved.

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