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Offline Matt_Harrington

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Anti-sieze options
« on: July 29, 2022, 02:59:50 PM »
When fitting s/steel fasteners to our bikes, do most of you use a copper based ant-seize grease or a nickel based one.

I have been using Copaslip for years but wondered if Nickelslip or similar was a better option....

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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2022, 03:23:09 PM »
Nickel & Copper sit next to each other in the periodic table so I think either will work ok.
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2022, 05:48:57 PM »
Both are fine. Nickel looks a little better IMO being silver.
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2022, 05:59:56 PM »
Both are fine. Nickel looks a little better IMO being silver.

 
Nickle & Silver are two seperate elements or do you mean the colour?
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2022, 06:01:04 PM »
No it just looks silver in colour Ted.
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2022, 08:13:48 PM »
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2022, 11:13:02 PM »
Both are fine. Nickel looks a little better IMO being silver.

Yes, copaslip can get very messy and leaves a dark residue if not used sparingly.....
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2022, 04:19:15 PM »
Always referred to as 'Ginger grease' where I'm from. ;D
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2022, 09:28:31 AM »
I'm still using a tub of Molecular Anti Seize that I got from work, it was used on the bolting of oil refinery shell and tube heat exchangers, it looks copper based and I have never had any problems with it.

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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2022, 09:57:11 AM »
Always referred to as 'Ginger grease' where I'm from. ;D
Just keep in mind that Copper Slip, Anti Seize as well as Molycote Gn+ are "living entities"...
Drop a small crumb somewhere on the shop floor, walk to the opposite corner, sit down and wait...
Aprox 20 minutes later you'll find it on your elbow, another 15 minutes and some portion residents on your forehead, within an hour or so all your tools will be heavily contaminated...

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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2022, 10:54:07 AM »
Always referred to as 'Ginger grease' where I'm from. ;D
Just keep in mind that Copper Slip, Anti Seize as well as Molycote Gn+ are "living entities"...
Drop a small crumb somewhere on the shop floor, walk to the opposite corner, sit down and wait...
Aprox 20 minutes later you'll find it on your elbow, another 15 minutes and some portion residents on your forehead, within an hour or so all your tools will be heavily contaminated...

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Very true, I think it is searching for the 10mm sockets!
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2022, 11:21:44 AM »
I have found Corrosion Block grease to work really well on most areas, although I revert to copper slip where high temperatures are present. Here is a link to the makers web site they also produce ACF 50. http://www.acf-50.co.uk/corrosion_block.htm
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2022, 03:49:38 PM »
My understanding is that if you have a stud made of  a Steel  that  is predominantly made of iron (Fe) you get a battery effect due to Fe being a dissimilar metal to Aluminium (Al). This process is known as Galvanic corrosion. Putting a Copper (Cu) based grease between the Al & Fe metals acts a sacrificial process where the Cu gives up it's free electrons to the Two metals stopping them from seizing due to corrosion.
I'm sure most here might be fully aware of this but worth explaining in an over symplystic way.
This reason you get the White crust on battery terminals is the same process.
At a nano level this also explains weld corrosion over time if the welding rod is not the same chemical structure  as the metals being joined together.
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Re: Anti-sieze options
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2022, 03:59:53 PM »
I have found Corrosion Block grease to work really well on most areas, although I revert to copper slip where high temperatures are present. Here is a link to the makers web site they also produce ACF 50. http://www.acf-50.co.uk/corrosion_block.htm
Never saw their grease though... is it an actual lubricant too? (like for brake pedal and shifter linkage pivots)
For many years I'm using their spray on any electrical connector (and as cavity protection) for the reasons pointed out by McCabe-Thiele...
Copper Slip for anything on the exhaust line and the backside (& the stainless clips) of brake-pads...

Recently someone suggested AntiSeize as lubricant for clutch & brake lever pivots (+ the brass parts in there), but I don't want that mess all over my motorcycle, gloves, gear, hair, face, helmet, etc... so I'd stick to the annual waterproof marine grease application...
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2022, 04:06:05 PM »
I know what you mean about the mess in some applications. I have started to use Silicone spray as a cleaner alternative where appropriate.
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