Rear wheel lock ring LH threads as well as lock screws?

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Looking at the rear hub there are a couple of screws through two of the four holes where the key removal tool would fit.

Am I right in thinking I need to remove these first before the lock ring can be removed.

Not looking forwards to trying to get the two lock screws out - I'm assuming they are normal RH threads.rear wheel lock ring by Macabe Thiele, on Flickr



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[Laverdaroo]

They're not screws Ted,  the bearing retainer should have been knurledat one point which might mean you have to gently drill off the part thats been knurled over,couldnt think of the word (bashed with a drift to stop it coming un done).

The retaining ring sholuld then just unscrew.If you give it a good clean you'll see the direction arrow on the retainer. On my 550 it was an anti clockwise thread but dont know about the age and the circumstance of the your 500. Probably the same.


I might be wrong but that's what I found on mine aand you can see various if you sling the question into you tube it'll show you the norm.

There's heap on You tube showing how bad these can be, I found a bit of heat after soaking in penetrant for 24hrs and she was off. I did however buy a hub from a car boot sale only to get it home to find that the bearing retainer was hiding where some oaf had had a go with an angle grinder and more or less destryed the carrier and the threads. I only paid £5 for it so no great shame but I can only presume they were trying to wind it off and were winding it on!

There's a few threads about this also but go to You tube bud, all will become clear. I had exactly the same thought when I got to mine. I'm no expert as all will agree but they can be a bit of a tw*t to do so go careful and it should yeild for you mate.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

My 400 was peened over but this looks different  - so what are the two screws for in two of the four holes where the removal tool fits?
I do not think the  ring will turn with them in place.
Has it been modified by a PO?

Ill have to look again.

[Laverdaroo]

PEENED!!!!!!

thats the word I couldnt remember........doh!

No, not modified, thats exactly how mine was.they look like screws but arent, when you take the ring off it becomes clear. You should get the tooll in there with them as they are. I thought exactly the same when I saw mine. It was only through trawling through the net that it twigged.

[Bryanj]

In the hole you see half retainer and half hub so it looks like a screw slot, but there is nothing in there and its def LH thread

[Laverdaroo]

see!

Best of luck, they can be a right pig (coffee and Anglo Saxon moment pending)

[Bryanj]

Depends how big a scafold bar you have

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

Not sure where the peening is - is it just the bits at the side of the four holes?
I'll give it some petrol wash in the morning.
I'm guessing it's a different size tool to my 400.

[Bryanj]

If its been out before, and it probably has, it may well not have been re peened Ted, DONT be tempted to locktite it on reassembly, some poor bugger may have to take it out again!

[deltarider]

In my opinion the retainer doesn't need any securing at all - and certainly not peening - unless you have plans to ride your bike in reverse.
Oh, and this... http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,20039.msg178069.html#msg178069 Cost nothing.

[Toko_Jo]

Ya need a 'efty tool and an 'efty  'older  mate 

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[K2-K6]

In my opinion the retainer doesn't need any securing at all - and certainly not peening - unless you have plans to ride your bike in reverse.
Oh, and this... http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,20039.msg178069.html#msg178069 Cost nothing.

This is wrong, it's done there as security for very significant and worthwhile engineering reasoning. The assembly subjected to high loading in BOTH directions with significant torque reversal under acceleration AND engine braking use.

This bearing (on most motorcycle design) is used to hold the wheel aligned laterally within the frame. Any failure here would let the wheel move and it can't move toward the chain. The direction will bring the hub into conflict with the brake shoe plate and lock the wheel if moving far enough.

Installed without proper security is a little like building a time bomb into it. Honda arranged it like that for good reasons of safety.

All things being equal, no it wouldn't come undone in general use. But would anyone want to be riding one if it did ?

[taysidedragon]

PEENED!!!!!!

thats the word I couldnt remember........doh!

No, not modified, thats exactly how mine was.they look like screws but arent, when you take the ring off it becomes clear. You should get the tooll in there with them as they are. I thought exactly the same when I saw mine. It was only through trawling through the net that it twigged.

To me, peening is spreading the head of a pin or rivet or similar.
The retaining rings are 'staked' with a centre punch to stop them rotating.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

We're probably talking semantics here - my 400 front lock ring was staked out in a full circle not at a few points. So to me it was peened whereas the rear lock ring was just staked out in four places.

[Laverdaroo]

PEENED!!!!!!

thats the word I couldnt remember........doh!

No, not modified, thats exactly how mine was.they look like screws but arent, when you take the ring off it becomes clear. You should get the tooll in there with them as they are. I thought exactly the same when I saw mine. It was only through trawling through the net that it twigged.

To me, peening is spreading the head of a pin or rivet or similar.
The retaining rings are 'staked' with a centre punch to stop them rotating.