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Re: Not understanding 500 front suspension 🤔
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2023, 11:18:51 PM »
Quite a few people complain about a clunking sound on the 500 suspension, seem to recall Philward was one. The 550 doesn’t seem to suffer from this problem but then the 550 doesn’t have that damper rod locked into the top nut.

It’s possible it could be the damper piston hitting the base of the damper chamber. In which case a heavier oil could stop it.
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Re: Not understanding 500 front suspension 🤔
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2023, 05:25:59 AM »
Actually Ken I think you may have struck a cord with your post - when I drained the oil out of the legs there was not a lot on one side.
Also got me thinking that when I undid the chromed top nut on one side it was not connected to the rod. This might have just been as the lock nut was not locked - is it possible that it was not screwed into the shaft?
I'm thinking that due to the spacer compressing the spring that effectively might reduce total suspension travel.
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Re: Not understanding 500 front suspension 🤔
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2023, 08:58:22 AM »
Yes, there's at least three potential causes of clunking right there.
1) damper rod disconnected will just shove it up and down because its effectively floating in the fork chamber, this until it clouts something to stop it.
2) lack of oil will not control the spring and load input such that it can just hit top or bottom of travel to knock.
3)you're right Ted, in that if you put too much preload onto a spring, then it risks going coil bound (coils hitting each other when compressed) before the suspension is through it's travel. This is viscous when it happens, and generally starts to break components.

Preload is only used as a trim in suspension. If there's alot of preload used then that suggests the wrong spring rate for the application, or someone's trying to use it outside its designed range.

Original spring is specified for median usage to support bike and reasonable range of rider weight. Significantly outside that (sidecar, very big rider, constant two passenger + luggage etc) would need that consideration rather than more preload.

I'd build it with everything correctly installed as original and go from there, adding small preload if needed then. Realistically, about 20mm additional preload on std springs is a practical maximum to work with. Any more points to the need for upping spring lb rate to get what's needed,  but at the same length.

It shoukd work reasonably well just all standard Ted, or least of all give you a competent qualified baseline.

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Re: Not understanding 500 front suspension 🤔
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2023, 05:48:07 PM »
I've sorted out the two damaged threads on the long rod with a thread file as my die did not seem to be the right thread.

Also a definitive answer on the spring it goes in with the tighter coils at the bottom, as this way up it sits properly on the bottom fitting - the end diameter is the right size this way up.

Just waiting for DS to send the lock nuts with some other bits I need.
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Re: Not understanding 500 front suspension 🤔
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2023, 09:45:41 PM »
Seems like you're slowly getting the details pinned down Ted.

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Re: Not understanding 500 front suspension 🤔
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2023, 08:01:40 PM »
Decided to assemble the front springs without any pre-load spacers. So back to original as the spring lengths are well within limits.
Nice new lock nuts from DS & the one poor top nut thread sorted.What looked like the right front fork seals that came with my 400 are the wrong size so new seals ordered from Pyramid.
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