Timing problems on the 450 Bomber

[AshimotoK0]

I just wish I could get one ha LOL.

Hi Ashley

did you get tro look at the rotor`s ?
i got my timing near as you can get it right so rotro must be ok ...........running a bit like a pig tho....... carbs need setting up
I think.

I will try and get a look later today/tomorrow Mo

[mo goldie]

Yes ok Thanks  Ash.


oh did you say a K5 stator will fit a 67` Bomber........... as if so i can`t find one of them either ?
and don`t know anyone who can rewind the one I got too, I did try them at Rex speed shop but they just want an arm and and two leg`s to do it.

Oh........ just found these two are they any good and will fit if so which one ?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353131879713?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda&hash=item52384cdd21:g:~DAAAOSwAuVgQ2C3&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4J9LarBPrKn5PgtTW7Cb1mlD8bFC4qrUygC12SAr7gYJPpAvYbkJmCJla2Vs3yMfGzJUTbkhPs0aGacWW34IFg9vAzGM%2BTBpZGE0jCpG3LXVK5sHNFkTICfuQ8xCLcSuHcDY8a2RN3JgnwCtLE9YdIIJE%2B2s18HTP42gn3An3D6GEfroOUz5xzdkF2zeDuAtTdpdNHfSHYZZahcXe2yDbhNXiMEtmrRXBgvgOP4VZFYGCy%2B7hv4kkQzdeVP02hLSGWLLk%2FEFvOu9hlhsz59wDAGowULTEEmh0l8%2BnZStM0Xb%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6DMw5iIYw


this one say for 350 tho ?


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155928967504?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda&_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D257779%26meid%3D5bb55f7c85e84ada93345a3e86c6abb1%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D8%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D353131879713%26itm%3D155928967504%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D4429486%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V2V4ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecallWithVMEV3CPCEmbeddingSearchQAuto%26brand%3DHonda&_trksid=p4429486.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A1559289675045bb55f7c85e84ada93345a3e86c6abb1%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABgMF6rapl24zPGkjYHfiSlLTuBicNRv1Nr6Iohq4bMvd7DlxPac1R4%252FnhV6ZdsOB3e44VPDg3LMjzKh6h9F%252BnyuldWK33VEcBpK6UyRXA9oDADzwEJIB%252BjrUQktYR0EluQdk0jMCISI62ak4peNZttnRbSFGqwdC47qFkTZC5xxTjp9bHcL3qg0RoXvktnjH9RYWvPfYGWmz8kSaBYiRWThKHKMh6He4fdj3dD7OI%252Fp7T87YYof%252FoCNXxlZsaA4xyyvklzam%252BVbdkSnrKw2K7SjXHM4L4E%252BulKCOib9PidmM0EeE6BHFGbB%252F0OIM1aByiYWqSrXAUwV%252BWCp9uXa7x2BDBleZamp8IaoR%252FijUDGxIJ992iFXmbw85I73sYblhSGc2vOH290rStPGxusQtZr%252B6Prts6%252B%252BpG76IJNxLdMUGp9SCnt6mk2TMbo8yko%252BsI2dsNhNsPrEplOGx2oWZ%252B4XnYXCZzUnYkOyj%252BvUmV6bhJ7Pir1dLNM33VAk%252FwD9vrSA%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A4429486

[AshimotoK0]

I would try to go with the later 5-speed stator if possible Mo. The 350 one DEFFO won't fit.

I will look out for one for you. Not got to my rotors yet .. but I will soon

[mo goldie]

Are ok Thanks Ashley would be nice to get one then from a 5 speed then if you can come up with one that would be Great, as I say mine has all wires flapping around and just don`t look too good Not alone working.

Cheers Mo

[mo goldie]

well have just got a stator and Rotor should be on way tomorrow just hope it is the one I need 5 speed ?

hope this is the one Ashley ?

[AshimotoK0]

NO !! rotor is 286 from a CB250/350K You need the CB450 one Mo !!

Yo also need to show me the full loom and connector on the stator .. if it's a 286 part it won't fit . you need 283 or 292 (5-sp)

[mo goldie]

Hi Ash

I thought I had done good as I asked the bloke is it a K5 450 and he used to race them by the sounds of it....I could not see all the pictures of them as he had two one a bit messy and that one... I did see one had a white plug on the end of its wires ...I did Not know any difference...so you think I might have got it wrong then ? I was going on what the bloke said 

[AshimotoK0]

Hi Ash

I thought I had done good as I asked the bloke is it a K5 450 and he used to race them by the sounds of it....I could not see all the pictures of them as he had two one a bit messy and that one... I did see one had a white plug on the end of its wires ...I did Not know any difference...so you think I might have got it wrong then ? I was going on what the bloke said 

The rotor is deffo wrong Mo .. did you pay a lot for it?

[mo goldie]

Hi Ash

I payed £90 for the lot including the casings.

I am Not to worried about the rotor as I did say to the bloke but he said he would just put that in as well so I did not Argue lol so will have to see what I get but if you can come up with one be even better 

but I hope this one is the one that will be OK will keep you up to date as when I get it. what was Honda thinging about with all the changes     

[AshimotoK0]

Hi Ash

I payed £90 for the lot including the casings.

I am Not to worried about the rotor as I did say to the bloke but he said he would just put that in as well so I did not Argue lol so will have to see what I get but if you can come up with one be even better 

but I hope this one is the one that will be OK will keep you up to date as when I get it. what was Honda thinging about with all the changes     

I think the stator is correct as it's in the pic of the 286 rotor and it's wiring loom has the unique -to-the- 450/500T neutral switch attached. That neutral switch was a good design .. far better than the exposed contact ones on the CB250/350K, CB175 and CB500/4 etc

I have never seen a 286 rotor fitted to a 450 but that's not to say it's not possible. Maybe the seller knows more than me and it may fit ... worth a try Mo

[mo goldie]

Yes hope all good Ash

As it looks ok just hope it fits ...Not worried about the rotor as MY CB450 K5 one is good now so hope that will fit right in the middle of that one........oh hope I get the wires all right too when i wire that up to that Rectifier ?

[mo goldie]

Hi Ash

Well it came today and looks good ? Not sure of the color of the wires and where they will go on the Rectifier as the colours look like one is Green ..one looks white and the other one looks yellow ish the green and the green with red strip is to the Neutral  switch ? also the case came with it and I did Not think that would fit a KO as sure the bloke in the USA said they are different but just went and put it on lose to try and it fits... so what you think.

see what you think of the wires please and to where they go,

Cheers
Mo

[AshimotoK0]

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This is supposed to be the conversion Mo but not sure where green wire comes into it.

Not sure on the cover .. there could be a subtle difference ... you need to check one against the other for same dimensions.

[mo goldie]

are ok thanks Ash

Yes the Green is normally the earths ha .......... so unsure Now. but if i wire it as white to the pink on the loom so it go though the Rectifier as yellow to the one that looks like an off yellow and the Green to the brown on the loom to the rectifier I wonder if that will be right.

if anyone has a Stator the same as my one and can measure the Oms out put of each wire I wonder if that would tell me anything as I will look tomorrow and do an Oms check on mine and put on the readings what I get from that.

[AshimotoK0]

Leave it with me Mo .. I have two 5-speed stators somewhere. One is from a 450 and one is from a 500T. I think the later stator wire is like a silicone insulation and discolours with time and oil contamination.  None of the stator wires go to ground .. it's AC that then rectifies to DC and it's the negative of the DC that goes to ground

I would keep your original 4-speed cover. I have a nagging memory that there is something subtly different between 4-sp and 5-sp