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400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« on: April 24, 2024, 01:12:57 PM »
Yes, this is the fancy name for the two perforated metal plates that sandwich the piece of foam inbetween them. They sit in the bottom of the metal air filter housing/battery box and act as a filter for any gases etc before they run down the breather pipe via the plastic chamber located below the air filter housing.
Does anyone have a pair of the plates they would like to sell please? 
The part numbers are 17354-377-000 & 17355-377-000, They are item numbers 27 & 28 in the parts book. I'm happy to pay if anyone has them. They are now unobtainable from Honda, DSS and CSMNL. I have tried Steve at 400Bits but he only has the bare air filter box itself.
I guess these are two of the parts that end up flying over the shoulder of PO's back in the day when they didn't know where they were supposed to go during a rebuild ::).

This is the problem when you buy a project bike that is 90% complete, the missing 10% are always the parts you struggle to get :-\

Hopefully the Saturn V rocket I'm going to restore next in the back yard is all there although I can already see the 'FIRE' button is missing :o
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2024, 02:33:59 PM »
If you have a V in your back yard i wanna see it.
If you have been to Kennedy you will know about the "Oh Shit" face when leaving the control room mockup and the last Apollo lying down at Houston is impressive

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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2024, 03:08:47 PM »
Pretty sure I have a spare set Dave.

May be a day or two till I can check. I deffo have one of them spare.

Yours if I have them.
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2024, 03:45:14 PM »
Thanks Ash👍. I have some 1mm aluminium perforated sheet on order from eBay just in case I have to make something. I know it should be steel but I think the top plate will be difficult to fabricate with all the bends involved and Ali is a bit more pliable. Hopefully you may have something in your stash. The build is coming along nicely now with all the sub assemblies finished.
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 03:48:59 PM »
If you have a V in your back yard i wanna see it.
If you have been to Kennedy you will know about the "Oh Shit" face when leaving the control room mockup and the last Apollo lying down at Houston is impressive

That's one place on my bucket list Bryan. I have a mate who has over the years collected the signatures of all the Apollo astronauts. He used to go to the conventions.
I occasionally treat myself to watching the full Apollo 11 launch on YouTube, still a fantastic sight 55 years on👍.
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2024, 03:56:18 PM »
Dave, mine were missing from my project too so I made them from perforated sheet steel. I found some with a similar hole pattern to the parts diagrams and used the dimensions from the base of the filter box.
The steel bends quite easily with pliers so it's not too hard to do.
A bit of mesh pad to sandwich in between and the jobs a good'un. 👍
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2024, 04:12:31 PM »
Thanks Ash👍. I have some 1mm aluminium perforated sheet on order from eBay just in case I have to make something. I know it should be steel but I think the top plate will be difficult to fabricate with all the bends involved and Ali is a bit more pliable. Hopefully you may have something in your stash. The build is coming along nicely now with all the sub assemblies finished.

I deffo have the one with bends I reckon and has been re-plated  :)
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2024, 05:04:28 PM »
Dave, i will email/pm you with the details of the oh shit factor

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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2024, 08:17:03 PM »
Here goes Dave .....  plating isn't brilliant but no rust.

I found one of the smaller ones and thought somebody had trashed it with a big hole  :( . Then found another and same hole so guess it is meant to be there.  :-[  (Confirmed by some I found on Auction in Japan Yahoo Auctions)

I can either send as-is tomorrow or replate and send next week . Up to you

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« Last Edit: April 24, 2024, 08:23:37 PM by AshimotoK0 »
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2024, 09:09:49 PM »
Wow, fantastic that's a great result. A thousand thank you's Ash. Without your help with parts I'd be well and truly stuck.
As for the plating, if you are plating other parts (for the RSA maybe 🤔) I'd be more than happy to wait as I have plenty to be getting on with in the meantime in terms of assembly but please don't give yourself any additional work if it distracts you from your own build👍.
By the way, the airbox you sent previously has come up a treat using the hot air gun to bring the oil up to the surface followed by a long soak in some Auto Glym rubber & vinyl restorer.
Thanks again.
Dave
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2024, 09:58:24 PM »
Wow, fantastic that's a great result. A thousand thank you's Ash. Without your help with parts I'd be well and truly stuck.
As for the plating, if you are plating other parts (for the RSA maybe 🤔) I'd be more than happy to wait as I have plenty to be getting on with in the meantime in terms of assembly but please don't give yourself any additional work if it distracts you from your own build👍.
By the way, the airbox you sent previously has come up a treat using the hot air gun to bring the oil up to the surface followed by a long soak in some Auto Glym rubber & vinyl restorer.
Thanks again.
Dave

No worries .. I will do them Wednesday next week if that's OK Dave.
Not got much done on CB250RS lately as we recently went to Tenerife and then Derbyshire for Cathy's birthday.

I will update my resto thread soon. Everything is in epoxy primer including the frame and tank etc ready for paint. I am going for 2k semi-gloss on the frame etc and I got 1 litre (thins to 2l) of Dalcoat base-coat for the pearl blue metallic (correct Honda code .... a fraction of the cost from RS Bikepaint)  plus some beautiful decals with loads of discount from Piki. The delay has been checking the frame for misalignment but my DIY jig and calcs. say it's with 0.4°, which I deemed to be just about OK. I think if I hadn't taught myself to paint to a reasonable standard over the last 2 years the project wouldn't have been economically viable. I guess I will be in it if for the tune of £2k total but that includes a totally NOS top end apart from the camshaft.
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2024, 11:40:19 AM »
That's all good progress Ash. It may have taken a while to set up but making sure the frame is correct is key, too many people focus on the shiny bits and leave the basics. I always get my frames checked, for the £125 it's piece of mind. My Moto Morini frame was both out of alignment and had a crack in a frame tube just forwards of the rear shock mount. The 400/4 I restored for the wife was twisted by 3deg at the headstock. Thankfully 'Ratty' had a clean bill of health.
The 250RS decals from Piki are first class (as all his decals are). Are you spraying the centre stripe on the tank or has Piki made you a decal? Menno painted mine. To be able to paint is a real skill, I remember painting lessons at college, I still have the panel hanging in my garage that I painted in the lesson when I was 17. I had to sign write 'Vellocette and Classic Bike' on the panel as part of the lesson. I was actually employed as a coach painting apprentice at London Transport's bus overhaul works at Aldenham back in 1978. Within a year I had become a Coach Trimming apprentice at LT's train overhaul works in Acton because it was found I had a really bad allergy to cellulose!
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2024, 07:30:09 PM »
Not sure on the tank decal Dave. But I can match the dark blue from the front mudguard one if I need to paint on. Were they painted on for early RSA's ?
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2024, 10:29:09 PM »
It was definitely painted on my tank Ash. I thought it was a decal until I tried to peel it off to send to Piki for a matching decal to be made and I found it was painted! The bike only had 9k on it when I bought it (£415 back in 2001) so unlikely it had been repainted at any time.
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Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2024, 10:21:17 AM »
Putting the plates in the post 1st thing Tuesday Dave  :)
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