Headlight reflector

[DomP]

The correct fitment LED replacement from Classic Car Leds seems the sensible option to me Ted, it'll save the charging system a bit and suit my other led upgrades.  It's 3mm longer but I don't think that will cause a problem in the original headlight bowl.

[Johnwebley]

This is the LED that I fitted to the original reflector on my F1 which is a direct replacement for the original bulb that you have (P45T).


https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/compact-direct-fit-p45t-r2-led-hi-lo-beam-conversion-5-15-volts-410-423?_pos=3&_sid=a1490a3e3&_ss=r



While you're at it I recommend updating the side light bulb as well (BA9S).
It's very bright and would almost suffice as a day running light.

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/ba9s-bright-white-200-lumen-t4w-233-led-drl-sidelight-upgrade-bulb-llb233-llb989?_pos=3&_sid=db90a2d79&_ss=r

 

Hope this helps

Hi all,

I ordered the P45T by mistake,

So anyone want it?

£10 plus 2,95 p&p

Just message me



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[Skoti]

I don't know the answer,

But I have a H4 bulb,in a non standard reflector,

Fitting Cebie or similar used to be an upgrade

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John,

apologies if I mislead you, P45t seems to be fitted to standard reflectors only...

Anyhow I can recommend this LED replacement bulb for extra brightness and lower power consumption as suitable for our old bikes.

[Laverda Dave]

I have just bought the P43T LED for my Cibie. I have gone for 3000k Cool White because it has a more yellowish light to it. Having read up on a few things relating to cars etc pulling out on bikers it has been indicated (not proven) that a headlight with a yellowish tint is more noticeable to car drivers. Bright white tends to get washed out with all the cars nowadays that have their sidelights permanently on.

[Skoti]

I have just bought the P43T LED for my Cibie. I have gone for 3000k Cool White because it has a more yellowish light to it. Having read up on a few things relating to cars etc pulling out on bikers it has been indicated (not proven) that a headlight with a yellowish tint is more noticeable to car drivers. Bright white tends to get washed out with all the cars nowadays that have their sidelights permanently on.

Dave,

in order to avoid further confusion please may I point out that the cool white LED you mention is actually 6000k, it's the warm white LED that's 3000k and as you note probably the more appropriate looking LED for our old nails.

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/compact-direct-fit-p45t-r2-led-hi-lo-beam-conversion-5-15-volts-410-423?_pos=3&_sid=a1490a3e3&_ss=r

[deltarider]

Just read a test of aftermarket Led headlamps. Best was the Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro. Problem is, it won't fit in our headlights. Moreover such a LED bulb is not streetlegal unless in a reflector made for LED headlamps.

[Skoti]

Just read a test of aftermarket Led headlamps. Best was the Osram Nightbreaker Led Pro. Problem is, it won't fit in our headlights. Moreover such a LED bulb is not streetlegal unless in combination with a reflector made for LED headlamps.

LED bulbs from Classic Car LEDs are street legal

'The MOT rules have been clarified from 06.02.23 to allow the use of LED conversions that pass the beam pattern tests for headlights for Class 3, 4, 5 and 7 vehicles (car, private bus and light commercial vehicle) first used before 1 April 1986 and all class 1 and 2 motorcycles of any age'.

Please read the red text at the bottom of this link:-

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/compact-direct-fit-p45t-r2-led-hi-lo-beam-conversion-5-15-volts-410-423?_pos=3&_sid=a1490a3e3&_ss=r





 

[Laverda Dave]

I have just bought the P43T LED for my Cibie. I have gone for 3000k Cool White because it has a more yellowish light to it. Having read up on a few things relating to cars etc pulling out on bikers it has been indicated (not proven) that a headlight with a yellowish tint is more noticeable to car drivers. Bright white tends to get washed out with all the cars nowadays that have their sidelights permanently on.

Dave,

in order to avoid further confusion please may I point out that the cool white LED you mention is actually 6000k, it's the warm white LED that's 3000k and as you note probably the more appropriate looking LED for our old nails.

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/products/compact-direct-fit-p45t-r2-led-hi-lo-beam-conversion-5-15-volts-410-423?_pos=3&_sid=a1490a3e3&_ss=r

Opp's, yes you are correct there Skoti, I read and quoted from the notes I was making at the time I was placing the order for a complete set of LED's. I was comparing the various headlight colours as I was discussing my options on the telephone and have written cool white next to 6000k! Sorry, my schoolboy error. I have the 3000k warm white LED. Hopefully the morons on the roads will see me with a yellow(ish) light if the data is to be believed.

[Athame57]

I have the 3000k warm white LED. Hopefully the morons on the roads will see me with a yellow(ish) light if the data is to be believed.

Interesting, I'm sure there was a time in France when everyone there had to have yellow headlights, I don't know if EU law up ended all that or they had new ideas about it?

[deltarider]

I have the 3000k warm white LED. Hopefully the morons on the roads will see me with a yellow(ish) light if the data is to be believed.

Interesting, I'm sure there was a time in France when everyone there had to have yellow headlights, I don't know if EU law up ended all that or they had new ideas about it?

Unfortunately the yellow lights, allthough streetlegal, are becoming more and more extinct, due to EU laws which (uniformity for carmakers). It's a pity. They were better noticed in bad weather conditions like fog and snow. Also there was hardly any blinding of oncomers.
As far as what's mentioned above (UK ruling) in the EU fitting a LED bulb in a standard or H4 reflector is not streetlegal. Leds only in reflectors for Leds, halogen H4 only in H4 reflectors.

[Skoti]

From Deltarider
'As far as what's mentioned above (UK ruling) in the EU fitting a LED bulb in a standard or H4 reflector is not streetlegal. Leds only in reflectors for Leds, halogen H4 only in H4 reflectors'.




Just to avoid confusion here for our EU forum members.

In Germany since 25/9/2020 fitting an LED bulb in a standard or H4 reflector is street legal.   



Link in (English language) from German TUV (similar to UK MOT):-

https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/mobility-and-automotive/automotive-and-oem/automotive-testing-solutions/led-retrofit-headlamp-light-sources

' LEDs can be safely installed in headlamps on used vehicles, allowing these retrofitted vehicles to be registered on German roads'.



Normally legislation passed in Germany is eventually adopted by other EU member states and surrounding countries.





Sorry to be a bit of an anorak on this subject, but as a former MOT tester I still have a keen interest. 

[deltarider]

I'll ask the German forum. Ruling in Germany is very strict. Whenever you replace a part on your bike by a non OEM product like tyres, silencers, etc., the TÜV (MOT) demands a document which states that that particular product 'eingetragen' is. It often leads to frustration. I'm glad I live in the wild west.

[McCabe-Thiele (Ted)]

When we ran out Jeeps a WJ &. WK1 both were retro fitted with LED headlamp bulbs both passed the MOT tests at two different test centres. I later chatted with one of the testers about the issue, he said as long as they were white with a clear dip cut off it was not an issue. The Jeeps use an unusual style of bulb so finding good ones was difficult. I eventually found a pair of fan cooled units named oddly "Hogfather" they were much longer on the bulb body - luckily plenty of room on the WJ - they were in the Jeep when it was sold being over 3 years old.

[Laverda Dave]

Personally speaking I don't give a stuff if LED's are legal or not in our reflectors, I'm fitting one!
Considering our police force are unable/unwilling to prosecute uninsured drivers, Drink/Drug related driving, vehicles driving around with no MOT and Tax and motorists driving whilst banned or having no licence at all whilst Mr Khan is trying to force us off the road with nanny state regulations I don't think the fitting of an LED that may or may not be legal is going to be an issue for me. If it is illegal come MOT time I will temporarily change the bulb 

[deltarider]

Personally I wouldn't fit anything that could possibly lead to annoyance like blinded oncomers. I was raised with the proverb: what you do not want done to you, do not do to others.