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Offline Frisky

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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2015, 02:48:10 AM »
Trigger, Norniron,

My V5 also says 398cc for what appears to be a genuine 400F model originally registered in UK - so what is the story behind this do you think?

It is a 1975 model and now has an engine with the 408cc number moulded into the block. Maybe it is not the original engine? I didn't think much of it until  it came to the road fund licence which is cheaper if the bike is less than 400cc. Maybe I should come clean to DVLA and let them know, but how could this 398cc have come about?

Confusing to a newcomer to the marque!

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Frisky
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2015, 06:03:37 AM »
Quote from: Frisky on January 30, 2015, 02:48:10 AM
Trigger, Norniron,

My V5 also says 398cc for what appears to be a genuine 400F model originally registered in UK - so what is the story behind this do you think?

It is a 1975 model and now has an engine with the 408cc number moulded into the block. Maybe it is not the original engine? I didn't think much of it until  it came to the road fund licence which is cheaper if the bike is less than 400cc. Maybe I should come clean to DVLA and let them know, but how could this 398cc have come about?

Confusing to a newcomer to the marque!

Cheers,

Frisky
Hi frisky,the gov get enough money,it is an error on their part.enjoy the cheap biking.
I know I do
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2015, 07:35:19 AM »
398cc were produced for the Japanese home market because of certain restrictions on bikes over 400cc.
I resent having to pay an extra 50% road tax beckon a measly 8cc, so good luck to you.
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 11:55:05 AM »
One of my 400/4's also has 398 on the V5, as you say it's another DVLA mistake, but there are definitely some 398 Jap spec bikes around.  Years ago I bought a brand new GL1200 Aspencade from an importer in Cheshire and when the V5 arrived it said 'Scooter Combination' even though it was a solo. It took nearly a year to get the class changed to Bicycle - DVLA - tell 'em nowt and enjoy your 398cc's
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2015, 02:30:48 PM »
Hi Trig,

Wikipedia - agreed, but look 'anywhere' & you'll note 'outside of Europe' never got the loop footrests. Even my parts manual specifies Europe only for these.... yours?

Here's another link I turned up - showing the US (late) versions still on the swing-arm footrests. Note also that their 1978 pictures with "recessed fuel fillers" etc are actually pics of European bikes... ie they have good old chrome filler caps & pretty indicator lenses. (also think I can spot the sideways facing 'European' horn in these pics... and the tail lamp should be chrome?)

Further minor difference exist too - the one good thing I like about my 'yank' bike is the integral steering lock on the ignition.

http://www.motorera.com/honda/h0400/four.htm

Simon
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2015, 03:38:51 PM »
Going by the above link, my 1978 UK 400/4 should have Mikuni Carbs. It has actually got Keihins and the W/S manual says Keihin's are standard fit ?
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2015, 04:20:06 PM »
I think that site is either tosh or possibly that was how things were in the US with different emission rules??
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2015, 06:22:10 PM »
The trouble with the internet is that the "information" is only as good as the knowledge of the person who inputs it, if you look at the source code for the page Simon posted some punter called John Barach authored the page, where he got his info from nobody knows, some people do have the right knowledge but as a rule only believe it if it is from an official source.
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2015, 06:36:13 PM »
Quote from: Bodd on January 30, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
The trouble with the internet is that the "information" is only as good as the knowledge of the person who inputs it, if you look at the source code for the page Simon posted some punter called John Barach authored the page, where he got his info from nobody knows, some people do have the right knowledge but as a rule only believe it if it is from an official source.

Well said Bodd. DO NOT believe everything you read lady's and gentleman ;)
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2015, 08:24:22 PM »
Hmmm... yes the Internet can be a bit misleading.  BUT, be wary of dismissing info just because it doesn't suit you; if we always go down the route of "I don't like what I'm hearing so it must be rubbish" then we may as well switch off our computers. Rather research further / present data to dispute ... whatever. (Though I do agree about those carbs)

In the case of CB400 frame loops, I remain convinced they're a European spec only, ... Norniron & my (1977 / late American Frame #) bikes are living proof.

Now of course the below may have been concocted from some mislead & mischievous vagabond ... but until hard data is shown otherwise I'll continue to believe it!

Top pic 'European' spec, frame is part #374
Middle pic F,F1 & America.... frame part # 373/375 (& yup there's an addendum page for their later / recessed tank)

Excuse the blue crap... bits I've replaced etc.

Simon
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2015, 09:08:35 PM »
well, i get my information from years of working on these engines and i have had a 400F from new.
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2015, 10:09:56 PM »
Another of my flock that Honda say was never sold in the UK. How wrong Honda were.
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2015, 11:02:19 PM »
Quote from: Trigger on January 31, 2015, 10:09:56 PM
Another of my flock that Honda say was never sold in the UK. How wrong Honda were.
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 11:23:52 PM »
Lovely bikes....my 400F2 was the Ruby red when I got it... often I wish I'd kept the tank / side panels and bought a 2nd Parakeet set... to enjoy 2x the beauty.(ie rather than having them resprayed)

Simon
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Re: 400 engine numbers
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2015, 02:02:18 PM »
Nice bikes Trig shame about the rusty throttle cable ;) ;)
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