Triumph 3TA Engine

[AshimotoK0]

Ah Roy memories of Wednesday afternoons when I was supposed to be revising for my 'A' levels but instead spent weeks on end  stripping down my mate 'Shep's'  3TA (previously he had a Royal Oilfield Crusader Sports). Seem to remember there has a piddly little double piston oil pump . One afternoon his mum came home unexpectedly to bake buns and found the crankcases in her oven (we were getting the bearing out) and she hit the roof. Remember also seeing the Qualcast marks on castings and thinking 'lawnmower'. My mate used to wind me up about cost of parts for my CD175 sloper compared with his 3TA .. problem he was forever buying Triumph 'cheaper' parts and I never needed any Honda ones as my bike was utterly reliable!  His never had the 'bathtub' fitted ...does yours have it? Think we discovered the crankshaft  'sludge trap' after trashing brand new shells and a regrind    'Peters of Hull'  sold the Triumph parts and was also a Honda 5-Star dealer.

BTW for anyone interested  my Dropbox link for Edward Turner's Japan visit in the 60's   ... sorry about the scan file sizes !!

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h7gwhdcesqsy9s6/AABWGK0eMvErNbJosSR0gbQla?dl=0

[MarkCR750]

I are an enigere too, and I had an Edward Turner 2.5 V8 but it was fitted to my Daimler 250 V8 Saloon not a Jag!  ,  ( I also saw one fitted to a 1400bhp top fuel dragster but that's another story!)

P.S. Roy, leave an assortment of SOHC spares in the hollow tree at the end of my drive or you will never see your 3TA thread again!.

[royhall]

I remember that dragster, cant just think of his name think it was Russ Carpenter. He was a regular at Santa Pod and always had a bikini clad woman oversee his burnout, the mans got class. Ironically that engine in it's early days was built using 8 re-machined Triumph Bonneville pistons. Full circle I think.

[Bryanj]

As I remember it the V8 only went in Daimlers never Jags

[Chris400F]

As I remember it the V8 only went in Daimlers never Jags

I'm also pretty sure all the Jags had straight sixes back then - I think all Jags did until they introduced the V12 - but did the Daimler use the same bodyshell as the Jag?

[hairygit]

Not sure if the shells were completely identical, but it wouldn't surprise me if we are talking about the 70's jag XJ and Daimler Soveriegn. They had different grilles and badges, but shared a lot of common panels, wings, doors, boots etc, as they were the Leyland years like the morris oxford and Austin Cambridge, only the grilles and badges told them apart externally!

[MarkCR750]

As I remember it the V8 only went in Daimlers never Jags

I'm also pretty sure all the Jags had straight sixes back then - I think all Jags did until they introduced the V12 - but did the Daimler use the same bodyshell as the Jag?

That's right, it was basically a mk2 jag with the ET V8 dropped in it, different grill and seats, they were almost all automatic (as mine was) the rumour was that this was done to keep the performance below that of the jags, it sounded fantastic at full chat, great car wish I'd never sold it
I ran it as a wedding car for a while, the one behind it was my fathers .

[Chris400F]

These models were pre XJ. Not exactly sure but I'd guess we're talking mid to late 60's. Probably around the same time as the Oxford and Cambridge, and their very similar cousins the Wolseley (was it the 16/60?), Riley (4/75?) and MG Magnette.

[MCTID]

Ash....thanks for the info on Edward Turner's visit to Japan.  Very interesting..........but isn't it typical of the British Motorcycle manufacturers that they dismissed the Japanese threat......to their ultimate regret - and shame.

Funnily enough I have a 1957 Triumph T110 Frame which was originally despatched to the Japanese Triumph Distributor Mikuni Shoko.....it came to me via the USA so perhaps it was taken home by a US Serviceman after his stint in Japan? I'll guess we will never know whether it was imported for a Customer or for 'evaluation'.

My elder Brother sent me to The 'Honda Shop' in Eccles when I was about 14 (1964) to collect some brochures for him on the 125 and 250 Honda's - complete with Electric Start and Indicators. I recall at the time that they were considerably cheaper, better made and equipped, and more reliable than anything which the British Motorcycle Industry was offering at the time and the 250 and 305 Dream Sports were not far short of the performance of the Gold Star's, Bonnies and Dominators of the day.

[Orcade-Ian]

In my earlier post I was merely attempting (unsuccessfully) to differentiate between the Edward Turner V8 and the quad cam AJV8 which is in my present 2000 model year Daimler.

Jaguar cars bought Daimler and all assets oddly enough from BSA at the end of May 1960.
Edward Turners V8 engine was already in the glass fibre bodied Daimler Dart.  The Jag engineers fitted this engine into a rather rusty development shell from a Jag Mk1 (as they are now called) which was all they were allowed by their boss, Lofty England.  It out performed the straight six engine and then they eventually started production of the Daimler V8 using the Jag Mk2 bodyshell in its entirety. Only the grill, number plate lamp plinth, badges and some interior trim pieces were different. They were all autos.
They were in production from 1962 to 1967 before being renamed V8 250 for a couple more years and then dropped altogether at the introduction of the Series 1 XJ.

Now, where did that Qualcast flywheel go?  Sorry Roy!

Ian

[AshimotoK0]

That Edward Turner book is well worth reading ... I picked a copy up S/H  in a Corswolds quaint little bookshop a couple of years ago. Wasn't the Dart adopted by a police force somewhere if I remember correctly? Will have to dig out my copy again and check. It amazed me at the April Stafford show last tear  how much people paid for absolute sh*te Brit bike parts and 'barn' find projects.

[royhall]

I know what you mean Ash. It amazes me twice a year at Stafford that anybody buys a project bike there. You can usually get a decent runner for the price they want for garbage. There was a CB350F "Project" for sale last year at £1900 and I would defy anybody to find a good usable part on it.

Full restored Bonneville's are changing hands in the mid teen thousands now. Does anybody really understand what makes one vehicle a classic and another scrap, isn't it weird. Case in point, the Triumph Herald. It was shite when it was new and its still shite when its restored to better than new. In fact they are dangerous to drive as they want to roll over if you pass 20 mph or there's a slight cross wind. But the prices are stratospheric?

But I can understand why the Daimler Dart isn't sky high (yet) its one ugly vehicle. Will be looking for the Edward Turner book though, that sounds like an interesting read.

Don't worry about the hijacked thread, it got way more interesting.

[AshimotoK0]

I know what you mean Ash. It amazes me twice a year at Stafford that anybody buys a project bike there. You can usually get a decent runner for the price they want for garbage. There was a CB350F "Project" for sale last year at £1900 and I would defy anybody to find a good usable part on it.

Full restored Bonneville's are changing hands in the mid teen thousands now. Does anybody really understand what makes one vehicle a classic and another scrap, isn't it weird. Case in point, the Triumph Herald. It was shite when it was new and its still shite when its restored to better than new. In fact they are dangerous to drive as they want to roll over if you pass 20 mph or there's a slight cross wind. But the prices are stratospheric?

But I can understand why the Daimler Dart isn't sky high (yet) its one ugly vehicle. Will be looking for the Edward Turner book though, that sounds like an interesting read.

Don't worry about the hijacked thread, it got way more interesting.
 

I saw that 350 four POS too Roy ... and I thought the same as you.

The book seems to go for a lot more than I paid  ...you are welcome to a loan if you want to stump up the postage.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edward-Turner-The-man-behind-the-motorcycles-Jeff-Clew-book-TRIUMPH-AJS-BSA-/331740880070?hash=item4d3d4c1cc6:g:0VgAAOSwlV9WTfQ0


cheers

[royhall]

I know what you mean Ash. It amazes me twice a year at Stafford that anybody buys a project bike there. You can usually get a decent runner for the price they want for garbage. There was a CB350F "Project" for sale last year at £1900 and I would defy anybody to find a good usable part on it.

Full restored Bonneville's are changing hands in the mid teen thousands now. Does anybody really understand what makes one vehicle a classic and another scrap, isn't it weird. Case in point, the Triumph Herald. It was shite when it was new and its still shite when its restored to better than new. In fact they are dangerous to drive as they want to roll over if you pass 20 mph or there's a slight cross wind. But the prices are stratospheric?

But I can understand why the Daimler Dart isn't sky high (yet) its one ugly vehicle. Will be looking for the Edward Turner book though, that sounds like an interesting read.

Don't worry about the hijacked thread, it got way more interesting.
 

I saw that 350 four POS too Roy ... and I thought the same as you.

The book seems to go for a lot more than I paid  ...you are welcome to a loan if you want to stump up the postage.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edward-Turner-The-man-behind-the-motorcycles-Jeff-Clew-book-TRIUMPH-AJS-BSA-/331740880070?hash=item4d3d4c1cc6:g:0VgAAOSwlV9WTfQ0


cheers

Thanks for that Ash. Have spent a couple of days looking for this book at a reasonable price. Struggling to even find one in stock. Will try a bit longer then I may take you up on your offer. Cheers.

[Orcade-Ian]

Me again,
No mention of flywheels or Jaguar/Daimler today.

The Jeff Clew book on Edward Turner is available on Kindle for about £8 and on iBooks for £12.99
As it's a 2012 book, why not get your local library to get it for you on inter library loan? - there is usually a small charge.

Ian