Honda-SOHC
Other Stuff => Tricks & Tips => Topic started by: AshimotoK0 on January 09, 2015, 06:47:46 AM
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I had 4 rear Hubs (CB250/350 ... similar to 400/350 Four) to remove. One hub had been on a rolling frame left out in the open for years. The clean looking 350K1 one is as it came off the bike I bought from a DK US import and never been cleaned . Not bad for a 45 year old part ! Note the 36 drilled 'dimples' on the early 250 / 350 K0/K1 only bikes fitted 1968/69 only, inbetween the spoke holes
I didn't have the correct tool so used two old twist drills clamped in the jaws of an old machine vice, as in the picture, and all four retainers came out easily with damage (despite the fact someone had previously 'had a go' at one of them). Only one of them was staked but I drilled this one slightly first. I did a similar thing with the 750K0 front wheel ring retainer with a piece of flat bar fitted into the jaws of the vice and this came out fine too. The K0 one was staked too so drilled out first. I clamped the hubs in the trusty old BD Workmate . (got one of the original alloy Workmates too)
The one with the sprocket had damaged sprocket retaining nuts and no large washer only the circlip. The sprocket would not shift ( I suspect a pattern sprocket with a slightly small centre hole has been forced on at some time) . I had to angle grind the sprocket off to remove the spokes. Going to mill into the remainder of the sprocket to try remove it.
Ash
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Nice result Ash, I have seen hubs scrapped by peoples ham fisted attempts at removing them, oftem with a big hammer and a screwdriver:o, or worse, a cold chisel trying to turn it.
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Ash, how many bikes are you building ? Seems like a lot of hubs for 1 bike.
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Ash, how many bikes are you building ? Seems like a lot of hubs for 1 bike.
I need one for my CB250K0 and one for my CB350K1 but while I had the bodgy tool out I decided I would strip all of the hubs I have. i also did both CB750 front hubs at the same time but the rear one I stripped way back.
That non removable sprocket is a bit of a mystery though? It was from a US import CL350K3.
Does anyone know if this hub is the same as the 400/4 rear?
Ash
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Ash, how many bikes are you building ? Seems like a lot of hubs for 1 bike.
I need one for my CB250K0 and one for my CB350K1 but while I had the bodgy tool out I decided I would strip all of the hubs I have. i also did both CB750 front hubs at the same time but the rear one I stripped way back.
That non removable sprocket is a bit of a mystery though? It was from a US import CL350K3.
Does anyone know if this hub is the same as the 400/4 rear?
Ash
Not the same hub as the 400f mate.
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Can you get a hub puller around whats left of the sprocket ?
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Can you get a hub puller around whats left of the sprocket ?
Possibly. i do have a combined lathe milling machine though, so I could possibly mill it off.
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Nice bit of kit there Ash.Did look on the dutch crowd parts list of cl350 and to me it looks similar the studs go into bushes on the hub but should be able to remove once nuts and tags off.Then it confused me a bit when clicking on the sprocket as if your were ordering it showed it complete with studs and tags :o
All the best
Ralph
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Can you get a hub puller around whats left of the sprocket ?
I would go with that seeing the studs and mounts would need to come out.
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Ash, how many bikes are you building ? Seems like a lot of hubs for 1 bike.
I need one for my CB250K0 and one for my CB350K1 but while I had the bodgy tool out I decided I would strip all of the hubs I have. i also did both CB750 front hubs at the same time but the rear one I stripped way back.
That non removable sprocket is a bit of a mystery though? It was from a US import CL350K3.
Does anyone know if this hub is the same as the 400/4 rear?
Ash
Not the same hub as the 400f mate.
No definately not the same as 400/4. Im sitting here with my back wheel in bits at the moment, on the kitchen table like you do ;D , fitting new chain,sprocket and bearing etc, all came apart no problem. Didn't even need to use a hammer, which makes a change for me !!!!
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Ash, how many bikes are you building ? Seems like a lot of hubs for 1 bike.
I need one for my CB250K0 and one for my CB350K1 but while I had the bodgy tool out I decided I would strip all of the hubs I have. i also did both CB750 front hubs at the same time but the rear one I stripped way back.
That non removable sprocket is a bit of a mystery though? It was from a US import CL350K3.
Does anyone know if this hub is the same as the 400/4 rear?
Ash
Not the same hub as the 400f mate.
No definately not the same as 400/4. Im sitting here with my back wheel in bits at the moment, on the kitchen table like you do ;D , fitting new chain,sprocket and bearing etc, all came apart no problem. Didn't even need to use a hammer, which makes a change for me !!!!
Don't tell me that you are using the rear hub as a Angel cake tin ;D ;D ;D
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I hope your not taking the piss Graham ;D ;D ;D. No, not baking a cake today, made a bacon and onion suet rolypoly earlier, so just putting that on to steam whilst polishing the hub. :-* :-*
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I hope your not taking the piss Graham ;D ;D ;D. No, not baking a cake today, made a bacon and onion suet rolypoly earlier, so just putting that on to steam whilst polishing the hub. :-* :-*
Would i do that girl? ;) I am sweet and innocent ;D ;D
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Trig In yer dreams git ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
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A 400/4 Rear hub fresh out of the oven :D
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That's brilliant Ash
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Ash
Thats what I saw similar
Ralph
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I made a cheap, easy bearing retainer removal tool out of a piece of steel flat bar and 2 short 4mm bolts.
Just drill 2 holes in the bar the same distance apart as the holes in the retainer, tap the holes 4mm and screw in the 2 bolts. If you don't have any taps you could drill clearance holes for the bolts and use a nut to hold them in position, just use slightly longer bolts.
They should locate in a pair of holes in the retainer and unscrew it nicely. Mine came out no problem, no damage and I'll keep the tool handy for future use.
If you've got a really stubborn one(oo-err!) and worried about damaging the retainer it would be quite easy to make a wider one and fit 4 bolts to fit all 4 holes on the retainer.
If that doesn't work then by the time you get the retainer out it will be scrap. New ones are available and quite cheap.
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Aren't they left hand thread? It's nice to know these things before forcing anything
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Aren't they left hand thread? It's nice to know these things before forcing anything
Most Honda's are normal right hand thread, the only odd one I recall were early 500/4's, they had left hand thread to start with on the rear, then at some point during production run they changed to right hand thread:o
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Left hand tread on all the CB550 rear's ;).