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« on: November 27, 2016, 12:10:27 AM »
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« on: November 26, 2016, 05:32:00 PM »
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« on: November 26, 2016, 04:59:32 PM »
Hi Oddjob I don't doubt your experience, though you haven't had the benefit of seeing these items which you seem keen to dismiss. You are correct about the trim: I fitted that myself after I bought the tank from David Silver many years ago. The tank is definitely New Old Stock. It's still in its original Honda box with plastic bag and paper/foam protection. It has also got a very old piece of pvc tape over the tap holes. The inside of the tank is bare steel: it is not painted or coated? I can't see any ghosts of old lines on the tank, nor in the photo's. There are plenty of reflections of the conservatory roof and furniture though. The side panels were bought by me as New Old Stock, but were not wrapped and I agree they have become a little dirty. I don't believe they have ever been fitted to a bike though as there is no marking of the paint to suggest badges have ever been fitted, and there are no marks or scratches on the mounting lugs from use. They may 'come wrapped in a sealed bag with part number.....', but only till someone takes it out and puts it on a shelf. Regarding price, you can try an offer if you like as the eBay listing allows that, but I don't have to sell so won't be giving them away. Menno: don't be too quick to accept "expert" opinion. It's useful to consider but isn't always based on all of the facts. Sorry Menno but I've handled hundreds of NOS tanks, most were for insurance jobs. None ever came complete with trim, the paintwork whilst fine is not factory finish IMO, the panels have clearly been used, again I've handled loads of them. When new they are very very clean on the inside, those are dirty and it's ingrained dirt which indicates they have fitted and the bike ridden. Plus, as Graham has said, the paintwork is not good enough for factory finish. I sold 2 NOS side panels last year 1 was Jade Green and the other black, I'd had them for over 20 years and they were so far better than those that those aren't even in the same league. The colour of the inside of the tank is also wrong, it's not gunmetal grey like that, more a sort of yellow/bronze colour.
I still have a NOS Flake Sunrise Orange CB550F panel, the inside is pristine, the come wrapped in a sealed bag with part number and the panel is always wrapped in a unique type of paper, sort of a combination of tissue paper and brown paper, very very soft but giving plenty of protection.
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« on: August 07, 2012, 07:26:55 PM »
Darkness
you have given me a starting point
thanks very much
Billy
Glad to help. I've taken a look at your blogspot now as I'm looking at a proper size screen and the cam and bearings look pretty good, though is that some pitting on the n/s inlet cam follower? It is important to get a good supply of oil to the cam bearings as they pick up on the white metal facings in the head and cover very quickly. They don't have a proper paper oil filter, so it's worth changing the oil frequently and cleaning the rather basic centrifugal filter and oil pump pick-up screen regularly too. That also gives warning if the cam chain tensioners are starting to lose bits of rubber as the bits end up stuck to the screen and eventually clog it. Another tip I remember is to not leave out the gasket under the finned points cover. That places the inside of the cover too close to the points and conecting leads and can allow arcing and rough running. It goes away every time you check the points, only to reappear when you put it all back together. Perforated/split carb diaphragms also cause interesting missfires, initially in the mid range, but eventually affecting al but idle and full throttle, and old [Clogged] original air filters are more restrictive when damp. This makes the bike sound unreliable, but I covered some 60,000 miles on mine, albeit with a few major rebuilds along the way, and I still have a fondness for them. Much better than the 400/4 in my opinion! [Can I say that on here as it is SOHC and must have 4 of something?]
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« on: August 05, 2012, 07:53:53 PM »
...the G5 isn't listed, thought the 360 might be the same as essentially they were the same bike but different bores ..... Hi Oddjob, they were essentially the same, but the differences were more than just the bore. They were stroked too, so the cranks are different with bigger diameter gudgeon pins in the pistons. The top crankcase has larger holes to accept the bigger diameter sleeves in the barels and the head is machined to miss the tops of the pistons at TDC: a squish ring around the combustion chamber. The carbs were bigger and the back sprocket smaller. The side panel badges were different, but I can't recall anything else being different. I got most of the spares for my CB360 G5 off crashed 250s whilst a student in the 70's! 
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« on: August 05, 2012, 07:45:06 PM »
Hi,
I have just started restoring a G5 part of my plans involve me spraying the tank and side paneles. does anyone know the paint code for the 1975 G5 Green please.
Billy
Hi Billy, I had a green CB360 G5 back in the days. They were indistinguishable from the 250 if you took the side panel badges off [Which I did], other than it would stay level with the local RD and GT 250s from the lights, then pull away from at 50 plus. Happy days provided you didn't try it against an RD350 by mistake!!!! The green tank and panels have a TQ suffix to the part number which translates to: TQ Ilex Green Metallic Special in Honda's paint descriptions. One problem with that is as was pointed out earlier in the thread this was a tinted laquer over a silver base coat, so was a challenge to match when new. Honda provided small paint cans as a spare part in the 70's which were initially thought to be touch up cans, but they were actually intended to be pigment to tint a clear coat to spray a whole panel. The result of applying it neat with a paintbrush into a scratch was a near black line in place of a shiney silver one! The problem now is that no-one seems to know what formulations using modern paints match the old Honda names and codes. There is a similar chase going on at the moment to replicate Flake Saphire Blue . Your best bets are to speak with specialists like Sunrise or find a NOS side panel to get a match mixed to original paint. Good luck, and if it were easy there'd be no fun in restoring old bikes. 
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« on: August 05, 2012, 06:40:05 PM »
You don't need to sorn a vehicle if it hasn't been taxed since Dec 2001 or thereabouts. I found this out on an information pamphlet I was sent along with a new V5. Of course I let my son borrow the pamphlet and it can't be found now. 
Take care because a couple of extracts from the advice on DirectGov.UK on when SORN is needed are: 'SORN applies to all tax classes including those where no duty is payable, such as historic and disabled tax classes.'
'You must make a SORN if one of the following applies:
•if you buy an untaxed vehicle and do not tax it'
'SORN isn’t needed if:
•your vehicle was last taxed before 31 January 1998'So my reading of their advice is that you must SORN your bike, but SORN isn't needed?  ?  I wonder what the guy in the wig thinks?
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« on: July 09, 2012, 03:24:31 PM »
Good luck, and don't forget to post some photos! If it doesn't quite match your side panels I'll make a good offer for them!
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« on: July 07, 2012, 11:05:58 AM »
Hi Les: good to see it moving again. Have you had any luck in finding a match for the paint? I like the Flake Saphire Blue paint color too, but need a couple of side panels to match the tank I've got. My local paint shop is having difficulty finding a paint supply from the Honda paint name and colour code? I may have to paint a couple of spare ones elephant grey, like on the CB750F1 to get the tank on the bike: it looks awful with pearl saphire blue panel! 
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« on: July 06, 2012, 07:24:50 PM »
If you need a new master cylinder, Silvers are doing repro ones for early Goldwings that should suit?
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« on: April 05, 2012, 02:04:16 PM »
Looking good, and progressing nearly as quickly as my 500/4! I agree about the Flake Saphire Blue: so much nicer than the candy.
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« on: March 26, 2012, 04:38:54 PM »
Anything manufactured before 1st January 1973 can have black and white number. Please don't use one on the front. They were outlawed because they caused horrific injuries.
Almost right: it's bikes road registered in UK before 1st Jan 1973 can still legally use silver on black. It doesn't matter when they were made. I agree about the front plates though: not a good idea on the road!
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« on: February 15, 2012, 03:33:40 PM »
UK F1s were available in Sapire Blue, but that was the candy rather than the flake.
Flake Saphire Blue was a US colour that has only arrived here on imports.
I'd like a pair of side panels in flake saphire blue if anyone has some: swap for a decent pair in Candy saphire blue?
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« on: February 14, 2012, 07:23:16 PM »
Looks like you've already answered your own question, but I should be interested to see how you are linking the back brake up: I'm looking for ideas for something neater than the standard Tarozzi link forwards to the original shaft?
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« on: February 03, 2012, 06:55:24 PM »
PM sent. That's looking good for me as the list suggests a build date of about August 1972, though it wasn't registered in the UK till March 1973. I'd better get on with the rebuild after all then as it looks like it's a free tax disk!!!!!
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