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Title: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 26, 2018, 06:56:51 PM
Have just seen the list of entrants for Saturday, its lovely to see some forum members on the list and good luck to you all of you when it comes to the handing out of the rosettes. I'm keeping my fingers X'd also for Karen Wicks from Lincolnshire, never met the woman but she lives not far away and i have seen photos of her CB750 K2 and it's lovely. Not 100% sure if we are going to be able to go yet but definitely not showing any of our CB750's as that's not our thing at all but have a great day and if we do get there, I will buy you all a cuppa ☺☺☺
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW OFF ON SATURDAY
Post by: RGP750 on September 26, 2018, 08:10:58 PM
Not Sure i'm going just to show off my bike Julie,??????
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW OFF ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 26, 2018, 08:19:35 PM
Not Sure i'm going just to show off my bike Julie,??????
Haha Rich, I hadn't noticed I had used the word 'off', as in 'show off', twice in fact, I have amended it. 😌😌😌
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: RGP750 on September 26, 2018, 08:32:05 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D forgiven x
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 26, 2018, 09:16:19 PM
I will buy you all a cuppa ☺☺☺

You know the tea/coffee machine at DSS is free?
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on September 26, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
I'm not remotely interested in prizes. I'm just interested to be around when a collection of these iconic bikes are all in the same place at the same time.
Might buff up me chrome though.... ;D
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 26, 2018, 09:21:43 PM
I will buy you all a cuppa ☺☺☺

You know the tea/coffee machine at DSS is free?
No Steve, I didn't know that, that's a result. I was going to raid the Piggy Bank to get a round in 😀😀😀
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 26, 2018, 09:26:11 PM
I'm not remotely interested in prizes. I'm just interested to be around when a collection of these iconic bikes are all in the same place at the same time.
Might buff up me chrome though.... ;D
Yes, it will be a real treat to see so many together.....
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 27, 2018, 06:46:25 AM
I guess it depends upon where he holds the event.

The place is basically and old concrete car park with a warehouse and a “trade” counter.

The museum is a separate building opposite (with free coffee once you’ve paid to get in)

It’s also satnav unfriendly. I will post a photo/map to show the way in. There is little/no signage, especially from the main road.


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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: SumpMagnet on September 27, 2018, 09:34:02 AM
What a cruel clash of dates.

I could be there in an hour or so...but instead..I am heading West and will be on the wrong side of the country....instead of looking at shiny bikes and wandering over to teh trade counter with a shopping list
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 27, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
My bike is listed but isn't ready(he compiled list based on entries months ago) but I am taking my pair of carbs that I believe are, almost certainly, from the 'Brighton' bike. Vic World is bound to know 100%.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 27, 2018, 11:56:57 AM
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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on September 29, 2018, 01:12:53 PM
The one and only Colin Seeley using my bike as a desk. Cheers for that.

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 29, 2018, 05:33:56 PM
I bet that's the best looking desk he has used for a long time. Bike looks lovely Peter.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on September 29, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Thanks Julie.
After doing 190 miles today and 400-500 miles in the last week I can attest it runs/rides lovely too! 8)
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 29, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
Thanks Julie.
After doing 190 miles today and 400-500 miles in the last week I can attest it runs/rides lovely too! 8)
That's good, it's lovely when a bike rides and runs well, it increases the enjoyment somewhat.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 29, 2018, 08:47:26 PM
Brighton Bike in its 'restored' state !

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 29, 2018, 09:20:48 PM
Noooooooooo, what has happened to it !!!!😰😰😰
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Green1 on September 29, 2018, 09:26:50 PM
Wish I could have made it.
I ended up in Epping instead hanging doors  :(
More pics please

Agree with Julie its now another old bike full of new parts. Not a serviver at all
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on September 29, 2018, 09:30:05 PM
Sorry but my iPhone camera is tits up so couldn’t take any photos.
I believe there will be images and video on dss website in due course as there was a videographer on site all day. Funnily enough his special won first quelle surprise.


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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on September 29, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
I heard that over here Julie  :)

So do you known the owner now Ash?
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 29, 2018, 09:32:06 PM
That has almost bought me to tears and I don't get over emotional about other peoples bikes but, that is awful.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 29, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
I heard that over here Julie  :)

So do you known the owner now Ash?

No but I had a brief talk to him, showed him the pair of original carbs I had off off it (after showing them to Vic World ) but the new owner of the bike didn't seem interested so I gave them away to someone who was  ;) No use to me  really. Shame....but there ya go. Vic World a lovely bloke very approachable and informative.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Green1 on September 29, 2018, 09:41:06 PM
Is the frame rotten? the rear wheel seems to be on the floor.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 29, 2018, 09:44:23 PM
Congrats our member Mick  here Kettle738   Won Prize for earliest genuine UK bike.

Dave Silver sold a shed load of his used bike by all accounts including the blue CL450
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 29, 2018, 09:45:10 PM
I'm pleased your carbs have found a good home Ash, that's nice. Whoever the 'restorer' was on that bike needs hanging up by the balls. The new owners choice  I know but it looked better when it went to auction. There are alot better restorers on this forum. I am gob smacked.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 29, 2018, 09:55:10 PM
The UK Press bike YLY 70H was there ...never sold at Bonhams a couple of years back so guy still has it.
Talked to him for ages ...said he had a real battle getting it back from Bonhams. They said he had given the 'nod' to sell at the auction at Stafford  but he never did,  so a struggle ensued.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 29, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
Original Stainless crosshead screws on Press bike YLY 70H  ;)

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: UK Pete on September 30, 2018, 07:57:00 AM
I can't believe a person with so much money to buy Brighton bike would dress it up with modern day replacement parts
What complete A Hole

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Seabeowner on September 30, 2018, 09:50:34 AM
That is a real shame, I wish it had never turned up. We could still dream it was out there somewhere.
I hear he's thinking of also tackling Stonehenge!
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 30, 2018, 11:24:32 AM
😀😀😀😀😁
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: hairygit on September 30, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
I'll put a cat among the Pigeon's here! Maybe, after paying what was an incredible  amount of money for the Brighton bike, the new owner wanted to ride it, but decided to remove the original parts and store them, so if it does come a cropper on the road, the original parts are still safely stashed? Just an alternative line of thought!

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: UK Pete on September 30, 2018, 12:17:29 PM
I'll put a cat among the Pigeon's here! Maybe, after paying what was an incredible  amount of money for the Brighton bike, the new owner wanted to ride it, but decided to remove the original parts and store them, so if it does come a cropper on the road, the original parts are still safely stashed? Just an alternative line of thought!

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Now there is a point

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 30, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
Indeed a valid point but would you really turn up at an event of such importance with wrong / modern / pattern parts fitted......i think not.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: hairygit on September 30, 2018, 12:24:03 PM
Depends if it was ridden there or taken in a van, the frame number is what signifies it's origin. To a non Honda fan, it looks clean and shiny, but the owner knows the significance of the bike.

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 30, 2018, 02:13:09 PM
I'll put a cat among the Pigeon's here! Maybe, after paying what was an incredible  amount of money for the Brighton bike, the new owner wanted to ride it, but decided to remove the original parts and store them, so if it does come a cropper on the road, the original parts are still safely stashed? Just an alternative line of thought!

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I do take your point but why absolutely zero interest in the original master cyl. from it or the carbs? It was taken there in a van. Talking to him I think he had a lot of hassle getting it to run as signified by the blued downpipe.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Johnwebley on September 30, 2018, 02:21:22 PM
I bet that's the best looking desk he has used for a long time. Bike looks lovely Peter.

 a very lovely bike,a credit  to you !!
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on September 30, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
I bet that's the best looking desk he has used for a long time. Bike looks lovely Peter.

 a very lovely bike,a credit  to you !!
Thanks John!
More truthful to say credit to my...err credit card


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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Trigger on September 30, 2018, 02:40:56 PM
Any pictures of karen Wicks K2 bike ?
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: H2Eric on September 30, 2018, 04:25:54 PM

I believe there will be images and video on dss website in due course as there was a videographer on site all day. Funnily enough his special won first quelle surprise.


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Awards involving a subjective assessment will often be called into question, after all we all have different tastes, but any award that could lead to the suggestion of favouritism should have been avoided.
However, it was a great day out, blessed with superb weather and a chance to meet and talk with some very nice people apart from the disrespectful individual who put his coffee cup on my petrol tank.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on September 30, 2018, 05:15:50 PM
That's inexcusable.
I had a go at an arse who leant on my headlight during the prize giving. I didn't moan at Mr. Seeley though when he leant on my seat ::) ;D
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 30, 2018, 08:37:36 PM
Any pictures of karen Wicks K2 bike ?

Sorry .. I  don't personally but maybe Mick or Richard may have taken some.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: RGP750 on October 01, 2018, 06:57:17 AM
Great day Saturday and good to meet up with Ash and Cathy again.
So nice to have so many friendly people in one place ,just so nice that everyone seemed to talk to anyone.
 DS staff seemed really helpful whether me be allowed to rummage through their second hand spares for 175 bits to
letting us have some space inside and tools to sort out my mates Sandcast that had decided to run on 2 cylinders on his way up from Sussex.
Phone battery went flat so did.nt get any pictures,hoping the video may show the bike .
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 07:40:23 AM
YLH 70H Press bike and UK Brochure bike ...Pulled from the clutches of the Bonhams auction 'cos they sold it on 'discretion' that they didn't officially have from the owner !!  Such low numbers were imported to start with that the VIN is quite a bit later than Mick's (kettle738) and my red K0. So Honda UK must have waited for the second batch to arrive before  compiling the literature and letting the press loose on one.

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 07:55:43 AM
Mick's bike... 1st official UK bike ...mine is 13 up in VIN from this. Both bikes probably from same day production in Oct 1969

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Trigger on October 01, 2018, 08:19:28 AM
The first batch of 50, 750's to the UK would of gone straight to warehouse and they would not of looked for the earliest VIN as a press bike, they would of just pulled one out  ;)
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 08:48:49 AM
The first batch of 50, 750's to the UK would of gone straight to warehouse and they would not of looked for the earliest VIN as a press bike, they would of just pulled one out  ;)

It wasn't from the 1st batch Graham ;)   ..much later VIN
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Trigger on October 01, 2018, 08:55:35 AM
The first batch of 50, 750's to the UK would of gone straight to warehouse and they would not of looked for the earliest VIN as a press bike, they would of just pulled one out  ;)

It wasn't from the 1st batch Graham ;)   ..much later VIN

The numbers would not of been in sequence for the UK  ;)
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 09:12:05 AM
The first batch of 50, 750's to the UK would of gone straight to warehouse and they would not of looked for the earliest VIN as a press bike, they would of just pulled one out  ;)

It wasn't from the 1st batch Graham ;)   ..much later VIN

The numbers would not of been in sequence for the UK  ;)

Well ..the UK CB750 guru and probably 2nd to Vic World on knowledge of the early 750 , who was a judge on Saturday told me they were ........ ;)   and it wasn't John Wyatt cos he wasn't there !
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on October 01, 2018, 02:13:54 PM
Here's one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgguPkMKA1g
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Trigger on October 01, 2018, 03:02:35 PM
Judges, experts and guru's !
Sorry to inform you but, Karran's K2 is NOT a 1972  ;)

Class 1 - Earliest VIN No. Honda CB750. Winner = Ole Larsen from Sweden with his 1969 CB750

Class 2 - Earliest UK Honda CB750. Winner = Michael Taylor from Kent with his 1969 CB750

Class 3 - Most Original (unrestored) Honda CB750. Winner = David Warton from Suffolk with his 1973 CB750-K3

Class 4 - Best Presented Honda CB750. Winner = Karen Wicks from Lincolnshire with her 1972 CB750-K2

Class 5 - Furthest Travelled (Ridden to the event) Honda CB750. Winner = Nick Harvey from Inverness, Scotland (605 miles)*

Class 6 - Highest Mileage Honda CB750. Winner = Chris Rushton from Nottinghamshire with his 1969 CB750 (134,943 miles)

Class 7 - Best Custom Special Honda CB750. Winner = Julian Clements from Buckinghamshire with his unique racer special CB750

Class 8 - Judges Favourite Honda CB750. Winner = Tony Brown from Lancashire with his rare Pre-Production CB750.

* Erling Kleve was due to arrive from Norway on his Honda CB750 but he was forced to retreat due to heavy snow conditions!
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 03:56:43 PM
She would probably be more miffed that you spelt her name wrong Trig  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Allington (Steve) on October 01, 2018, 04:15:39 PM
Please excuse my ignorance but what is “the Brighton bike”?
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Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 04:51:21 PM
Please excuse my ignorance but what is “the Brighton bike”?

No worries. It was one of four pre-production prototypes, two of which were at the Motorcycle show held in Brighton in 1969. The one at the event was the gold one, the other was was green and nobody I believe, knows where it is or if indeed it still exists.

see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszC7DBt-XU
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Allington (Steve) on October 01, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Please excuse my ignorance but what is “the Brighton bike”?

No worries. It was one of four pre-production prototypes, two of which were at the Motorcycle show held in Brighton in 1969. The one at the event was the gold one, the other was was green and nobody I believe, knows where it is or if indeed it still exists.

see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszC7DBt-XU

Thanks for the link. God that makes me feel old  :(
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: kettle738 on October 01, 2018, 07:26:18 PM
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The first batch of 50, 750's to the UK would of gone straight to warehouse and they would not of looked for the earliest VIN as a press bike, they would of just pulled one out

The first batch of CB750s for the UK from what I've read over the years was approx 20 bikes and they were allocated to dealers who were particularly in favour with Honda UK at the time for whatever reason; the first batch was small because Honda had recently had their fingers burnt with unsold CB450s and they were not confident the CB750 would be a good seller in the UK.

My bike went to Ken Ives of Leicester.....unsurprising really as he had helped dig Honda out of their CB450 problem by creating the 'Ken Ives special'.......Black Bombers with some questionable quality British parts, some paintwork and extra chrome added to get them out the door.

I recall reading somewhere that the serial numbers of the first batch of UK CB750s were sequential.

The Honda press bike was quite a bit later, it had a 1015 chassis number IIRC which meant the first twenty bikes were on the road long before Honda UK even had a brochure printed.

Mick.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 01, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
YLY 70H's  VIN is 1015262  so just under 5000 VIN's after ours Mick. I got this info from the Bonhams auction catalogue.

I agree on key dealers getting preference on allocations as mine came from Mountains in York and at one time he was working through the night assembling tiddlers to keep up with demand because he was shifting so many bikes to factory workers.

Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: JamesH on October 02, 2018, 12:29:57 AM
I have 1015280 (AYO 63H) and 1015278 (AYO 64H) - both sold from the same dealership and I suspect part of the batch that the press bike came across with..
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: kettle738 on October 02, 2018, 07:05:08 AM
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YLY 70H's  VIN is 1015262  so just under 5000 VIN's after ours Mick. I got this info from the Bonhams auction catalogue.

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I have 1015280 (AYO 63H) and 1015278 (AYO 64H) - both sold from the same dealership and I suspect part of the batch that the press bike came across with..

On the face of it, from a batch with sequential numbers; it would make perfect sense to produce small batches for limited markets such as the UK all at the same time in terms of organising state specific parts, particularly if they briefly interrupted production of much larger quantities destined for elsewhere.

Mick.   
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on October 02, 2018, 01:31:31 PM
Here’s another one
https://youtu.be/1qc9ErSZ06Q


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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: fryerk on October 05, 2018, 09:10:03 PM
Interesting reading about the early UK bikes I have vin 1015263 one up from the press bike. Mine was supplied new by Comerfords in Thames Ditton which is less than 5 miles from where the bike is now. Ive also got a copy of a MCN article dating from 1985 where the then owner of YLY 70H also owned my bike YMF11H and they are pictured together.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: JamesH on October 05, 2018, 09:26:38 PM
Crikey Kev - our bike must literally have rubbed shoulders on the day of manufacture..
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 05, 2018, 09:34:35 PM
Interesting reading about the early UK bikes I have vin 1015263 one up from the press bike. Mine was supplied new by Comerfords in Thames Ditton which is less than 5 miles from where the bike is now. Ive also got a copy of a MCN article dating from 1985 where the then owner of YLY 70H also owned my bike YMF11H and they are pictured together.

Kev was the owner of YLY 70H in 1985 the present owner Phillip Shaw or the guy who restored it Keith Newton ...or perhaps Penelope Keith's husband Rodney Timpson as he owned it for a few years.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Trigger on October 05, 2018, 09:36:18 PM
From the old boy Honda dealer network, the first UK K0's were most defiantly supplied to Bill Smith motorcycles  ;) 
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: fryerk on October 05, 2018, 10:12:07 PM
The guy in the article is Keith Newton. I believe he "borrowed" a few parts from my bike to put on YLY70H and then according to the article rebuilt my bike for his wife to ride! I'm only the 4th owner not sure if Keith bought my bike new or he was the second owner.


You're right James they must have literally been on the production line minutes apart.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 05, 2018, 11:39:09 PM
The guy in the article is Keith Newton. I believe he "borrowed" a few parts from my bike to put on YLY70H and then according to the article rebuilt my bike for his wife to ride! I'm only the 4th owner not sure if Keith bought my bike new or he was the second owner.


You're right James they must have literally been on the production line minutes apart.

The original owner of YLY 70H  was Honda UK then Phillip Shaw bought it and used it in a promo film in the latter part of 1970. He then bought it back years later  after restoration and still owns it.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: kettle738 on October 09, 2018, 01:46:24 PM

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From the old boy Honda dealer network, the first UK K0's were most defiantly supplied to Bill Smith motorcycles  ;)

Bill Smith may well have had some from the first batch....but certainly not all of them as mine was supplied new by Ken Ives and Ash's from a dealer in York......and they are both from the first batch.

Mick.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on October 10, 2018, 06:18:06 PM
Oh yes, strangely I wasn’t tempted.


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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on October 10, 2018, 08:03:50 PM

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From the old boy Honda dealer network, the first UK K0's were most defiantly supplied to Bill Smith motorcycles  ;)

Bill Smith may well have had some from the first batch....but certainly not all of them as mine was supplied new by Ken Ives and Ash's from a dealer in York......and they are both from the first batch.

Mick.

There's a picture of one in a classic bike book which displays the registration DVG 159 G.

I don't know which area the code relates too but if original number, suggests it was registered prior to August of that year.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: kettle738 on October 10, 2018, 08:55:30 PM

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There's a picture of one in a classic bike book which displays the registration DVG 159 G.

That will be an import with an age related plate......there are lots of them about now..

Mick.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on October 10, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
I wondered if that were the case. 

Although if someone had prior frame and engine data I suppose they could have tried to get it on the books early. 

Also found a picture in french book of, what looks like,  the Brighton bike that I've not previously seen. Taken outside at the Paris reveal of the CB750.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on October 11, 2018, 10:31:06 AM
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Quite a good resolution original and reproduction it appears.  For sale via the copyright holders agent,  and dated as 10th March 1969.

Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 11, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
Wow ...nice pic Nigel ..never seen that one before

This crabby pic of UK diecast was taken at a King Crimson concert in 1970 (for all of you prog rock fans out there).
The bike belonged to the their record agent John Gaydon and was taken at a concert in Hyde Park. The lady sitting on it is Mark Bolan's wife June Child (Feld) (for all of you Glam rock fans out there).

CPK 694H is listed  on DVLA and listed as 810cc but sadly last taxed in 1977 so probably long gone now  :(

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on October 11, 2018, 11:47:58 AM
A nice photo too Ash.  There must be stuff like this lying around that is deemed insignificant but good if it can be found.

I often travel past Marc Bolan's tree which is near here, he's never forgotten with permanently replenished shrine there.

That Paris photo has Jean Pierre Beltoise,  formally a motorcycle racer, subsequently formula 1 driver on the front of the bike.  So searchable by his name rather than Honda as such, hidden in plain site as it were. There's a few of it with him and some french singers also from the same photo session that come up as well. 

Details in the photo are good and you can probably see "your" carbs in some.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 11, 2018, 02:42:20 PM
A nice photo too Ash.  There must be stuff like this lying around that is deemed insignificant but good if it can be found.

I often travel past Marc Bolan's tree which is near here, he's never forgotten with permanently replenished shrine there.

That Paris photo has Jean Pierre Beltoise,  formally a motorcycle racer, subsequently formula 1 driver on the front of the bike.  So searchable by his name rather than Honda as such, hidden in plain site as it were. There's a few of it with him and some french singers also from the same photo session that come up as well. 

Details in the photo are good and you can probably see "your" carbs in some.

Here is another one ...with a French comedian and a singer)  I gave those carbs away to a friend who is an avid collector of everything CB750 .. no use to me really and don't want to be branded a hoarder (even though I am  :-[ )[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 11, 2018, 02:45:05 PM
So is that a Sandcast in that photo, as it has the smooth oil filter housing?
Edit...or one of the prototypes?
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on October 11, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
So is that a Sandcast in that photo, as it has the smooth oil filter housing?
Edit...or one of the prototypes?

Others know the show schedule of the bikes but it looks like the gold one of four that was sent out to the bike shows prior to production launch. That one appears to me to be one and the same sold recently and pictured earlier on in this thread at the anniversary day.

It's got the same alt cover etc that marks out the pre-production run engine.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 11, 2018, 04:43:15 PM
So is that a Sandcast in that photo, as it has the smooth oil filter housing?
Edit...or one of the prototypes?

Others know the show schedule of the bikes but it looks like the gold one of four that was sent out to the bike shows prior to production launch. That one appears to me to be one and the same sold recently and pictured earlier on in this thread at the anniversary day.

It's got the same alt cover etc that marks out the pre-production run engine.

It's the Gold one that sold at auction for £161k and was at the DS event in those French pics. (yes the engine is a sandcast)  It's rumoured that the green one went to France after the Brighton Show and hasn't been reported as being seen since. (the gold & green bikes were both at that show). From what I know the French were told not to start the bikes but when they came to the UK .. Alf Briggs, who was Honda UK's Technical Service man in Woolaton Road Nottingham started at least one up and it evidently appeared with him riding it on the programme 'Wheelbase' in 1969 on BBC2. Wheelbase was one of the first series to be broadcast in colour and was the predecessor to 'Top Gear'. Lord Denbigh was on that Programme too and Honda UK sold the bike to him which was reg'd CGU 7H. The carbs I got came from someone who was a good friend of Alf Briggs.  That Wheelbase programme was broadcast on the same night that the 1st 'On the Buses' was broadcast ...'Arfurs' combo on that programme must be worth a load too now ...I think it also appeared in Dads Army .... getting all anoraky now sorry  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 11, 2018, 04:57:26 PM
This is Alf Briggs ..sounds a real character and was heavily involved with the CR750's I believe. see this link :-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/agkwz5bqpm9pvng/Alf%20Briggs-5.pdf?dl=0

Just look at the attention to detail in this letter he sent he to a Black Bomber customer  back in the 60's !

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Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: K2-K6 on October 11, 2018, 08:04:16 PM
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One of Vic Willoughby riding that bike also, no date available but has no registration plate,  looks like a test/race track it's located on as well.

Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: adespin on October 11, 2018, 11:20:52 PM
How out of place Vic Willoughby looks on a modern bike of the time, probably more suited to ride a BSA B33 with a chicken coop (double adult sidecar) attached, looks like he's been digging up potatoes with those wellies.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: petermigreen on October 16, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
Event video up - Check it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=637&v=BccQkBB4YUo
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: steff750 on October 17, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
 ;) thanks for sharing the video, from all of us who could not make it .a great day I hope they do it again next year .

Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: RGP750 on October 17, 2018, 07:51:17 PM
Cor! you have some archive stuff Ash. Just as well someone has kept it .
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Mr_Sheene on October 20, 2018, 07:01:55 PM
Now this may be because I’m old and have too much time on my hands, despite the Commando but this particular topic has got me thinking. Always dangerous using seized machinery. At first, I agreed with Julie, although not quite as passionately but it is/was a piece of history. However, what is the degree of restoration? I couldn’t make the day but wish I'd put the effort in now, just to see this bike in the flesh. Has it been completely resprayed or have some parts been polished within an inch of their lives? Either way, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at it and it looks impressive. As ‘Hairygit’ says, he may have stored the original parts and it is the frame/engine/VRM that are most important. Whenever I modify a bike, I always keep the original parts to ‘put it back’ if I want to. What bothers me most is that the owner didn’t want the original parts Ash offered him. Was it because he thought Ash wanted to ‘sting’ him, as he’d paid so much for the bike and must be rich? Why wouldn’t you want to get it back to original? He’s clearly no mug if he has that much to invest in the bike and has to have more than a passing interest, doesn’t he? If Ash is still reading this, I’d like to know what the owner said. Also, Ash is not a hoarder. No squirrel in his right mind would have parted with those bits other than to the original bike. A Yorkist as well. Hear all, see all, say nowt, etc!
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 20, 2018, 08:25:40 PM
Now this may be because I’m old and have too much time on my hands, despite the Commando but this particular topic has got me thinking. Always dangerous using seized machinery. At first, I agreed with Julie, although not quite as passionately but it is/was a piece of history. However, what is the degree of restoration? I couldn’t make the day but wish I'd put the effort in now, just to see this bike in the flesh. Has it been completely resprayed or have some parts been polished within an inch of their lives? Either way, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at it and it looks impressive. As ‘Hairygit’ says, he may have stored the original parts and it is the frame/engine/VRM that are most important. Whenever I modify a bike, I always keep the original parts to ‘put it back’ if I want to. What bothers me most is that the owner didn’t want the original parts Ash offered him. Was it because he thought Ash wanted to ‘sting’ him, as he’d paid so much for the bike and must be rich? Why wouldn’t you want to get it back to original? He’s clearly no mug if he has that much to invest in the bike and has to have more than a passing interest, doesn’t he? If Ash is still reading this, I’d like to know what the owner said. Also, Ash is not a hoarder. No squirrel in his right mind would have parted with those bits other than to the original bike. A Yorkist as well. Hear all, see all, say nowt, etc!

I wouldn't 'sting' anyone ...ask anybody who knows me well on here and has dealt with me. My original plan with those carbs was to GIVE (=0£)  them to someone I know who has been yearning to own that bike for over 30 years and knew the last owner really well and is a top class sandcast etc owner/ buff. My friend would have restored that bike properly but alas the price was out of his league. My intention with the new owner was to try to trade the carbs  for something missing off my own UK750 ..... however,i f he had been more receptive and passionate about the bike but had nothing to trade, I would have probably given him them to him for 'nowt' as we say up here. It was not to be sadly, he wasn't interested, so I simply gave them to my friend  (for free no money or trade involved) at the show as they were of absolutely no use to me. My hope is that one day the bike might resurface again on the market and then whoever buys it may wish to bring it back to original. My friend is trying to track down the other two carbs as we know they are out there somewhere (the guy who sold me them told me that he originally had all four carbs from Alf Briggs, who was the original Honda UK Tech guy from way back and was a personal friend of Mr. Honda). Personally, I was glad to get them off my hands so that someone else can be their 'custodian'.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Woodside on October 20, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
May I ask what was the tell that they were the carbs from the prototype...
Was it just somebody's word...or was there something that set them apart from the early 28 top jobs?

I vouch ash is one of the gooduns....
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: AshimotoK0 on October 20, 2018, 10:39:48 PM
May I ask what was the tell that they were the carbs from the prototype...
Was it just somebody's word...or was that something that set them apart from the early 28 top jobs?

I vouch ash is one of the gooduns....

I showed them to Vic World who took one look and  confirmed that were off either that bike or the missing green one.  The Brighton gold bike had its carbs swapped for production carbs prior to selling to Lord Denbigh and that work would have been done at Honda's Service Dept in Nottingham. So I assume the ones I had were the ones taken off the gold bike.
Title: Re: DAVID SILVERS CB750 SHOW ON SATURDAY
Post by: Mr_Sheene on October 21, 2018, 11:49:16 AM
There is no need for Ash or anyone else to vouch for his character, as there was no implied criticism of Ash nor even the new owner of the Brighton Bike. I simply wondered why the new owner would refuse the chance of obtaining anything that was originally fitted to the bike. I'd have bitten Ash's hand off, as I like originality. I'm not so fussed with Patina Purity. Sometimes people read into situations what they fear and not what is intended, which is why I wrote, 'Was it because he thought Ash wanted to ‘sting’ him'. I've been reading this site for long enough to have worked out Ash is genuine. The bit at the end is because I moved to Burnley when I was eleven and went on intensive training courses about that lot over The Pennines, where I learnt the rhyme. When I start the re-build of my March 1970 bike, you'll see why I like original parts. I don't have many!
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