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Title: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: alexdecker on May 03, 2022, 08:00:55 PM
Hey all

Alright, so using a rotor puller to try and get the rotor off the crank of my cb550. The thing won’t budge. Applied force, and even bent the rotor puller handle a little. It’s not coming off. Is there a trick I’m missing here? Or is it good old heat again?

Almost couldn’t get the rotor puller out again though, because of the amount of force I had pulled it in with.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on May 03, 2022, 09:21:01 PM
I assume you have given it a tap with a lump hammer whilst the puller was under tension.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: K2-K6 on May 03, 2022, 09:45:24 PM
Also grease/copperslip the puller threads as it will promote more leverage for the same torque.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Johnny4428 on May 03, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Also grease/lube on the contact point of puller.😉
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Bryanj on May 04, 2022, 12:00:03 AM
Are you using the proper puller or a generic 3 leged job,which never work
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Oddjob on May 04, 2022, 03:47:22 AM
I took 2 rotors off 2 cranks the other week so I could scrap the cranks as they were very rusty. Using the genuine Honda tool it took me less that 3 mins for each one and that included removing the bolt. No grease used, just threaded it in, tapped with a lead shot filled rubber hammer and they fell off, despite the rust.

Using the right tools makes the job so much easier and saves damaging anything. The genuine Honda tool looks like a cross, black with 4 different thread pitches on each arm so it fits multiple bikes. Not that dear to buy.

If you were close I’d pop round and remove it but of course your not, shame.

Watch you don’t lose the woodruff key when it finally comes off. Easy to do.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Bryanj on May 04, 2022, 04:13:46 AM
Stop winding him up Ken, there is no key on the fours!
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Sesman on May 04, 2022, 06:49:36 AM
Yes, I lost both the woodruff key and it’s slot.😀
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: alexdecker on May 04, 2022, 07:42:50 AM
Tapped it. Greased it. Tapped it some again.

I am amazed how "lightly tapping" seems to be such an integral part of motor cycle maintenancene 😂

I am using this rotor puller tool I bought of CMS. I torqued it too much it would seem. I snapped my oil filter wrench (used to stop the crank from turning) and bent the handles a bit on the tool.

Any other ideas, other than a giant vice and more muscle?

Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Sesman on May 04, 2022, 07:54:24 AM
Alex, if you are splitting the motor, leave it on and tease it of with a block of wood and mallet later. Worked for me and no special tools required.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on May 04, 2022, 08:47:23 AM
The impact strike  is better than tightening up the puller too much and not just on motorcycle cranks.

On the old A Series BMC engines flywheels could be hard work even using fancy hydraulic pullers. The strike with a lump hammer frightened them into letting go. (Yes they had a Woodruff key)
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: alexdecker on May 04, 2022, 12:17:00 PM
Problem is that I have dismantled the entire engine, so its just the crank I am operating with. So I don't have the weight of the engine or bike to stand against the torque.

Should I just torque it and smack it hard as hell with the hammer?
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Sesman on May 04, 2022, 01:16:26 PM
I simply undid the bolt, strategically placed a bit of 2x3 softwood inside the rotor and worked it around tapping firmly, but not violently….of it popped.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Johnny4428 on May 04, 2022, 01:40:38 PM
Brilliant! I learned a long time ago it’s sometimes better to walk away and take stock, regroup rather than going for the explosives!😂
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Oddjob on May 04, 2022, 02:53:04 PM
You know Bryan I had to go and check the cranks I am scrapping as I have a VIVID memory of pulling woodruff keys out of the slots and it's a recent one.

I'm wondering now what the hell I was working on.

Getting old is starting to suck a little  ;D ;D ;D

This is the one I use. I think I paid about £10 for it in the 80s.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293326225468?hash=item444b9b003c:g:sVMAAOxyJs5RZT7f
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: heli_madken on May 04, 2022, 04:24:15 PM
I seem to recall using an M16 x 50mm fine thread bolt - https://www.spaldingfasteners.co.uk/m16-metric-fine-8-8-grade-high-tensile-zinc-hex-head-fully-threaded-set-screws/ (https://www.spaldingfasteners.co.uk/m16-metric-fine-8-8-grade-high-tensile-zinc-hex-head-fully-threaded-set-screws/) and an impact wrench, just seemed to fall off my 77 550K3 as soon as I pressed the trigger. This would work I imagine even with the crank out of the engine.
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: alexdecker on May 06, 2022, 07:24:56 AM
It's off. Definitely didn't fall off at all. It took a big hammer and what some would call violence and everything on my work desk rattling off and falling to the floor.

But… it's off. I think that was the last thing that could be stuck on this damn thing (knock on wood).
Title: Re: Rotor stuck. Is there a trick?
Post by: Sesman on May 06, 2022, 07:48:02 AM
Congratulations Alex. Don’t be downhearted, regroup and crack on. You’ll feel a lot better once to start to rebuild.
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