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New Member Introductions / Re: Hi Newby
« Last post by McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on Today at 02:19:31 PM »
Welcome to the sohc community Kev.
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CB500/550 / Re: Plugs fouling at idle
« Last post by K2-K6 on Today at 01:44:15 PM »
You're making the assumption that I've said it needs more power (supplied by the Boyer ? ) which is not what I've stated.

I agree it doesn't, there's other attributes within that system that hold value in this performance arena.

Question .... can you describe the failure mode within the combustion chamber which gives erratic acceleration response as you've described it ? In other words, why are you not getting a perfectly linear response with the settings you have.

Honda never state (as far as I appreciate) that you have to use equal idle circuit settings, just a suggested start point, from which their setup routine .... well written in my view ..... will allow settings for individual cylinders in giving long term combustion equality. Thats just normal in my reading of their factory instructions.  It goes further in the later PD carbs, such that it calls for correct settings, then to record those individual adjustment as the genuine reference point from then onwards.
Also it states that they are set in this way at factory, advises not to arbitrarily adjust them without making good record of their factory position BEFORE working on them.
Sensible, I feel.
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Humour / Bless ‘em,……….snigger!
« Last post by Laverdaroo on Today at 01:19:37 PM »



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New Member Introductions / Re: Hi Newby
« Last post by philward on Today at 01:01:10 PM »
Welcome to the forum Kev - enjoy¬
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New Member Introductions / Re: Hi Newby
« Last post by Athame57 on Today at 12:41:23 PM »
Hi Kev
Welcome here! You've landed among a pool of experts so I'm sure you'll find the help you seek too. :D
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New Member Introductions / Re: Hi Newby
« Last post by Moorey on Today at 12:31:29 PM »
Welcome to the forum and have fun with your project.
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CB500/550 / Re: Plugs fouling at idle
« Last post by deltarider on Today at 12:22:47 PM »
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Another observation, the Boyer ignition is very, very competent in it's delivery. I've no problem working with the std system, believing it to be mechanically almost peerless in it's design, application and component specification .... the Boyer i can see by comparison does offer tangible benefits if that's chosen by the owner though.
Among those benefit appears the ability to fire more adverse mixture range more of the time with exceptional repeatability.  This seems to support a more optimum idle mixture that may give benefit in any residual unburnt component/fuel that may be affecting the fouling determination this topic is about.
[...]

The advantage you attribute to B#B, is valid for any EI that has a transitor doing the switching. Realise that even in stock configuration, coils will be fully saturated. Only in border situations a transistor has the advantage of more reserve as there's no loss due to mechanical breakers (tiny sparks can be seen in stock set up). The steeper rise time a transistor ignition provides, will also offer some reserve in border situations. That's all to it, I'm afraid. There's no shortage of spark duration because @ idle initial peak voltage will be relatively low (estimation around 7kV). An EI will NOT give a higher voltage. Why should it, if the circumstances are thus, that already 7kV is enough to bridge the plug gap. Ergo: lots of energy available.
It's the gap that determines a higher or lower initial peak voltage and the atmospheric circumstances in the combustion chamber ofcourse.
In my personal situation, I'm experimenting (you guys know me ;)) by following what is advised in a American Honda booklet. Needles are now raised one notch (and thus in 4th) and the airscrews are two turns out.
Here is something I have never communicated before. In the very first year I owned my CB500 (1980), I travelled as far as Greece. On a camping in the Peloponnessus I decided to open the Haynes manual. Being completely ignorant I followed the data in forsaid manual and have set the airscrews at one turn out. To this day I wish I had never touched them. I should at least have made a note what they were in before. Immediately the next day I noticed a difference: a negative one and never thereafter in 44 years have I been able to regain that perfect utterly smoothly accelerating CB500 again. Don't take me wrong. It has always been good thereafter, but never so perfectly accelerating as before. Later the properties of gasolines changed which made it even more difficult. That's why I am always curious to know what position other CB500 owners have their airscrews in. If my plugs stay clean at idle, driveability in acceleration suffers. My understanding is that even 1/8 of a turn can make a big difference and at least one Honda mechanic has told me that the position of the airscrews of all 4 can individually differ in position more than just 1/4 of a turn. Soon I hope to use my restaurated CO gas analyzer and see what an initial 4% CO at idle will bring.
 
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New Member Introductions / Re: Hi Newby
« Last post by Johnny4428 on Today at 12:09:49 PM »
Hi Kev, welcome to the forum and I am sure you will find this forum a great help to be part of.
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New Member Introductions / Re: Hi Newby
« Last post by Laverda Dave on Today at 11:59:52 AM »
Welcome to the forum Kev
Enjoy asking questions and you'll always receive an answer.
Get 5 posts under your belt and you can then post some photos of your pride and joy, we like a photo on here👍
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Desperately Seeking!! / Re: 400/4 Air Filter 'Panching Plates'
« Last post by Laverda Dave on Today at 11:40:19 AM »
That's all good progress Ash. It may have taken a while to set up but making sure the frame is correct is key, too many people focus on the shiny bits and leave the basics. I always get my frames checked, for the £125 it's piece of mind. My Moto Morini frame was both out of alignment and had a crack in a frame tube just forwards of the rear shock mount. The 400/4 I restored for the wife was twisted by 3deg at the headstock. Thankfully 'Ratty' had a clean bill of health.
The 250RS decals from Piki are first class (as all his decals are). Are you spraying the centre stripe on the tank or has Piki made you a decal? Menno painted mine. To be able to paint is a real skill, I remember painting lessons at college, I still have the panel hanging in my garage that I painted in the lesson when I was 17. I had to sign write 'Vellocette and Classic Bike' on the panel as part of the lesson. I was actually employed as a coach painting apprentice at London Transport's bus overhaul works at Aldenham back in 1978. Within a year I had become a Coach Trimming apprentice at LT's train overhaul works in Acton because it was found I had a really bad allergy to cellulose!
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