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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: Orcade-Ian on October 06, 2023, 09:15:01 AM

Title: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Orcade-Ian on October 06, 2023, 09:15:01 AM
Will someone go for this? - it's the very rare 'one off' with a 5 speed box  ;) I thought this guy was an expert!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325623643525?hash=item4bd0ae7d85:g:emYAAOSwIy5kP-KW&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0EhsuoHLswdOhs24WP%2B1HuYE91xkOwWk78Gnd%2F0AYJjug1DxljIQMlDXHCCD4fzQuJSFapl9gtXNEyOHibRxW9ZL0DlkOLKli2Kwihlj9i0jcO9nYnNp2LAfcd9hWPnsIGT%2FI4CZWo2GWk2k78FCbH06IvFbgIrAyEm4pLtWuaMmHQ5nfCjccmC5qOLgTMnOqEzWn2gl8RHqrTaxoc3f7BOtcTsgDMqclQNJ3zDriVuGnZWltQTTq8vISgij3XGKzJZG%2FeltcJf3eFdbOFrtKRE%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5DDncDgYg

Ian
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 06, 2023, 09:24:00 AM
Have they updated the description?
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Orcade-Ian on October 06, 2023, 10:19:50 AM
That's strange Matt,
Using the ebay number 325623643525, gives a different page from the one if you cut and paste from the url.  The numbered version states 5 speed manual, whereas the url version doesn't show it.
I realise FTFF knows his stuff, so it's just a typo but I thought I'd share it with the collective, mainly for the price and condition.

Ian

Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Johnny4428 on October 06, 2023, 10:43:09 AM
Looks like a bit of a gem Ian. And wow! 5 speed box! 🤭🤭
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Oddjob on October 06, 2023, 02:12:39 PM
Standard condition?.

Someone's drilled a hole in the headlight shell and fitted a toggle switch there, not exactly standard that.

Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Laverdaroo on October 06, 2023, 03:15:22 PM
Heated seat and grips

Top order although the dearest I’ve seen but a lovely thing


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Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on October 06, 2023, 04:43:57 PM
Standard condition?.

Someone's drilled a hole in the headlight shell and fitted a toggle switch there, not exactly standard that.

It's to switch off the 6th gear....
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 06, 2023, 04:47:19 PM
Standard condition?.

Someone's drilled a hole in the headlight shell and fitted a toggle switch there, not exactly standard that.

It's to switch off the 6th gear....
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Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on October 06, 2023, 04:59:36 PM
Why are the side covers black & not yellow was this standard?
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 06, 2023, 05:00:52 PM
Why are the side covers black & not yellow was this standard?
Standard for North America / Canada spec bikes.
Edit... Along with the recessed fuel filler cap under a flap.
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Oddjob on October 06, 2023, 05:55:13 PM
Then why's it got a normal flip up tank cap? AFAIK they didn't do the recessed tank until the tank with the stripes, all the ones I've seen have the stripes, can't remember seeing one with the flap and a solid colour tank.
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 06, 2023, 06:04:13 PM
Then why's it got a normal flip up tank cap? AFAIK they didn't do the recessed tank until the tank with the stripes, all the ones I've seen have the stripes, can't remember seeing one with the flap and a solid colour tank.
No idea, maybe the tank has been changed but they definitely came with the flap at one stage in 1975 for that market.

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Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Oddjob on October 06, 2023, 07:28:58 PM
As Graham is so often saying the parts book can be wrong, plus the diagram shows the tank with the stripes.

I've looked at Honda brochures from the time they were out and I can't find a single one with the flap and solid paint, only ones with stripes. You'd think if it was available at the time there'd be a brochure somewhere showing it.

The American SOHC does say in it's history that the recessed tank cap came out when the stripes appeared.

"The F2 model started with frame number 1073400 and was offered in two new colors, candy Antares red or Parakeet yellow with a silver “Honda” logo. A stripe was added to the tank and the the sidecover logo font was changed from the previous model. In the US market, the side covers were black like the F1 model. The tank was restyled with a slightly recessed locking filler cap."
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Nurse Julie on October 06, 2023, 07:39:14 PM
The parts book is correct on this occasion. In Canada, someone fell off their 1975 model with the normal chrome not lockable cap, the cap came open and fuel spilt out all over the road. The authorities were not at all impressed and refused to take any more 400/4's utill the cap was made more secure. Hondas answer was to lower the cap into to tank and fit a locking flap for the Canadian market. If I can get in touch with the chap that lives in Toronto, I'll ask for a photo as his is a 1975, in yellow, with black side panels, no tank stripes and the locking flap in black.
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Oddjob on October 06, 2023, 07:48:11 PM
Seem to recall that was someone in the USA that fell off, remember reading about it. Yanks are litigious people anyway and Honda changed the design to stop from being sued.

The odd thing is the Canadian parts book doesn't list the flap type tank, just the normal one. Shows it but doesn't have a part number for it, the USA version does.
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: TrickyMicky on October 06, 2023, 11:23:18 PM
Standard condition?.

Someone's drilled a hole in the headlight shell and fitted a toggle switch there, not exactly standard that.
  If you zoom in on the photo of the right side handlebar, you'll see that there is no light switch. The American models were wired to have lights on all the time, so I'm guessing that is what the toggle switch is for.
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Mikep328 on October 07, 2023, 08:52:57 AM
Frankly, based on condition from the pics, and the fact that it is being sold in the UK but is an import from the USA, it seems dramatically overpriced to me - around £2000 too much based on my very recent experience looking for and purchasing one... ;)
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Orcade-Ian on October 07, 2023, 10:49:20 AM
Exactly Mike,
That's why I posted it.  When you look closely at some parts, they need some work - either replacing, re-chroming or polishing.  Looks like it's had a drop on the left side - alternator casing and badge,  the points cover has a ding, the brake pedal and gear lever need attention as do the fork sliders.  If you do all of that, then it's just another restored import with an unverifiable mileage.  Admittedly a very nice bike but not at that money.
Ian
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Oddjob on October 07, 2023, 03:37:10 PM
I thought it had been dropped on the rotor cover as well Ian but closer inspection showed it as just lacquer peeling and alloy corrosion. Same type of corrosion on the fork sliders, just age and possibly a slightly damp storage environment.
Title: Re: A very rare one from FTFF
Post by: Orcade-Ian on October 07, 2023, 04:00:24 PM
Ken,
I couldn't get close enough to properly check the rotor cover, it just looked a bit bruised - I'm 500 miles from you and even further from the bike🤡

Ian
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