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Project Board / Re: Winterfield's first project (400/4)
« on: October 25, 2019, 11:36:14 PM »
Thanks for that Trigger, I'll do that ASAP. My garage is not the most water tight building I've spent time in. Nor is it the least somehow...

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Project Board / Re: Winterfield's first project (400/4)
« on: October 24, 2019, 09:18:48 PM »
I bought some new bushings from Julie, set about 'pressing' them into the swing arm with my MacGyvered threaded rod and Ikea spare bits.



Putting it all together so far, with a new to me rear brake drum (thanks again to Julie):



Looking good so far, but it needs some forks for the front wheel. The fork tubes were quite pitted, and would have minced any new seals I fitted in very short order, so those were replaced. The lower stanchions were cleaned up and polished on the bench grinder.



Note the cable tie indicating the top of the spring. Haynes says that these are progressively wound, and need to go back in the same way they came out. Not pictured is the later stage where I removed the springs again without re-marking the top. I couldn't see which was the top and which was the bottom.... soo... hoping for the best there.



Both cleaned up, rebuilt with new seals, boots and oil.

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Project Board / Re: Winterfield's first project (400/4)
« on: October 24, 2019, 09:15:25 PM »
Next up was the frame. I opted to have this professionally done here in Edinburgh. They blasted it, and painted it gloss black.

Before:



After:


The only thing that really irked me about the job they did was that there is some grit from the blasting which wasn't cleaned out of the frame properly. This ended up under the paint. He said that they'd found this once after priming, stripped it back, cleaned it out again, then it happened again. At which point they presumably gave up and painted over it.



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Project Board / Re: Winterfield's first project (400/4)
« on: October 24, 2019, 09:05:35 PM »
Time will tell whether it was a good idea or not. I'm quite concerned about whether I tightened the spokes up enough/too much. I opted not to use a spoke torque wrench when building them, partly because of the expense of buying one. But also because many of the wheel building sites I was reading said that doing it by sound and feel was accurate enough.

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Project Board / Re: Winterfield's first project (400/4)
« on: October 24, 2019, 07:19:13 PM »
So, Christmas arrived (way back in May). Tyres, rims, stanchions, handlebars and some other little bits.



So the wheel building begins. After reading up on various websites, I decided that it would be a good idea to build my own wheels. It went OK. I got the lacing wrong the first time around - I think the method I ended up using was to put in all the spokes for one direction, then spun the hub to tighten the spokes so only the threads are showing through the hub. Then it was simple to see where the other side's spokes go from the hub to the rim.

First attempt: I tried lacing opposing spokes. This ended up with some spokes poking out way too far.


Second attempt went much better:


Same with the rear wheels, with new hub (with thanks to Davelu88) all polished up.






Tightened up the spokes and trued it with a cheap trueing stand. Plenty of other folks more qualified than me to explain the best way to do this - there are lots of good resources online.



And finally, with the tyres fitted (by a local tyre fitter):



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CB350/400 / Re: Tapered bearings leaving little thread for the head top
« on: September 24, 2019, 10:18:52 PM »
That's great, thank you. I'll see if I can find a UK supplier who will send me just the seals.

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CB350/400 / Re: Tapered bearings leaving little thread for the head top
« on: September 24, 2019, 09:41:26 PM »
Looking at the original Honda parts list, there's a bottom dust seal, and no top one. Shame I mangled my bottom seal when all I needed to do was remove the top one.

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CB350/400 / Re: Tapered bearings leaving little thread for the head top
« on: September 24, 2019, 09:32:27 PM »
Taking the top seal off would likely give me the clearance I need. I was using the thinner shim on the yoke, but I tried without the shim and got the binding on the frame as expected. Unfortunately, I mangled the bottom seal while experimenting.

Sprocket, you wouldn't happen to still have the packaging with the product code for just the bottom seal would you? I couldn't make it out from the pic.


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CB350/400 / Re: 400/4 rear hub sprocket retainer dimensions
« on: September 23, 2019, 08:13:34 AM »
It's a '75 400/4 UK.

I managed to get the parts from Steve, thanks all.

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CB350/400 / Re: Tapered bearings leaving little thread for the head top
« on: September 19, 2019, 11:48:45 AM »
I can definitely see that the torque on the lower nut is critical, and that's what worries me. In order to get a couple of the threads to bite I have to torque it down a fair bit (i.e. even just a 360 degree turn of the nut).

I suspect that if I have this gap between the frame and the bearing seat on the bottom, then I can compensate by using a thinner spacer on the yoke (assuming it doesn't bind against the frame. Trial and error may be the way forward here.


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CB350/400 / Re: Tapered bearings leaving little thread for the head top
« on: September 18, 2019, 12:50:44 PM »
Aha, yes, I was wondering.

I followed the advice of a forum post somewhere and used the larger spacer. Of course, now I can't find the post to confirm.

I'll knock the bearing off the yoke and try the thinner spacer.

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CB350/400 / Tapered bearings leaving little thread for the head top
« on: September 18, 2019, 10:36:36 AM »
Hi all,

I'm progressing with my ground up rebuild, and I am tantalizingly close to having a rolling chassis.

I've replaced the steering head bearings with tapered bearings (All Balls I think).

The problem I'm having is that I suspect I didn't clear up the frame well enough before pushing the bearing sleeve in. This left approx a 1mm gap you can see in the photos.

This is causing the thread top to have very little thread to turn onto. It's turning approx 360 degrees before it's tight.

My question is: how important is it that this part is torqued down? Does the steering nut provide the torque to tighten everything up? Or does the head top thread need to torque down more than 1 turn?

What's the proper technique for pushing these bearing sleeves in?






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CB350/400 / Re: 400/4 rear hub sprocket retainer dimensions
« on: September 11, 2019, 01:23:24 PM »
Also, where on earth does one source the spacers?

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CB350/400 / 400/4 rear hub sprocket retainer dimensions
« on: September 11, 2019, 09:17:55 AM »
Hi all,

If anyone has a sprocket retainer and spacer for the 400/4 handy, would you please send through the dimensions for both?

I need to know the inner circlip dimensions, plus the spacer inner/outer diameter and thickness.

Cheers,

Ken

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Project Board / Re: Winterfield's first project (400/4)
« on: May 07, 2019, 09:05:47 AM »
Thank you. Lots of work to go, but last night I finally opened my wallet and bought many parts. Am looking forward to Christmas arriving shortly.

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