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Title: 400/4 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 21, 2023, 05:49:01 PM
Anyone know if the 2 bolts securing the calliper to the bracket are high tensile. As the brackets/calliper are cast ally, I was wondering if high tensile was required. The existing bolts are unmarked and of course, have a smaller head but this could be overcome with a socket head.
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: K2-K6 on October 21, 2023, 05:58:29 PM
They resist all of the hydraulic pressure exerted by the brake system, without that it wouldn't be able to brake as the two halves of caliper would be pushed apart. In other words, maximum tensile loading of system.

Location in shear (trying to gonround with the disc) is relatively easy  for a bolt of that cross section. 
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 21, 2023, 06:15:53 PM
Somehow I was thinking that the ally thread was the weaker point. So you are saying the standard Honda caliper bolts are high tensile? (8.8, 10.9....)
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 21, 2023, 06:21:07 PM
Actually, thinking about it, it probably depends on the depth of thread - and the bolts do go in quite a way to the retainer plate.....
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: K2-K6 on October 21, 2023, 06:22:09 PM
Yes, to high tensile but unsure of specific rating as I don't think they are marked generally by Honda to help with information.
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 21, 2023, 06:23:52 PM
As I suspected!  ;D
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: K2-K6 on October 21, 2023, 06:23:56 PM
What rating are they torqued to in manual?
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 21, 2023, 06:24:53 PM
What rating are they torqued to in manual?
I'll check later - off to the pub for pre match drinks!  :o
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Oddjob on October 21, 2023, 06:44:57 PM
I’ve used stainless steel bolts in this location for many years, no problems. I have found the correct bolts with the correct sized heads at Middletons.
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Bryanj on October 21, 2023, 06:56:27 PM
Sorry got to ask it, where did you get your 5 cylinder Honda from?
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Orcade-Ian on October 21, 2023, 07:01:45 PM
Allen Millyard went round one evening and did it Bryan,

Ian
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Bryanj on October 21, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
But that would be a 500/5
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: K2-K6 on October 21, 2023, 07:47:23 PM
Wouldn't that be a Benelli  ;D
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Bryanj on October 21, 2023, 09:40:03 PM
Nah they did 500/4 and 900?/6
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Oddjob on October 21, 2023, 09:53:41 PM
Think it was a 750/6 Bry, just a 500 engine with 2 cylinders added.
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: K2-K6 on October 22, 2023, 10:40:55 AM
I was using artistic license for comedy effect  :) being that Benelli are, as far as I  know, the first to add cylinders to a Honda engine in producing the Sei 750.

Apparently it's components can be substitute for Honda 500 items in some cases.  Piston, Rod, Gearbox, Primary drive chain etc are all a straight rip of the Honda original design.
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 24, 2023, 04:27:29 PM
I’ve used stainless steel bolts in this location for many years, no problems. I have found the correct bolts with the correct sized heads at Middletons.

I may get a couple but ended up buying a couple of s/h ones from 400fourbits. (which will be re-plated)

Thanks
Title: Re: 400/5 Caliper bolts
Post by: Matt_Harrington on October 24, 2023, 04:28:38 PM
Sorry got to ask it, where did you get your 5 cylinder Honda from?

Ha! Oops.....
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