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Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: Lobo on December 06, 2020, 11:28:16 PM
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Over on ‘my’ Griso forum this topic is in swing; predominantly the poster was looking for space to mount the main electronics unit.
...which was news to me as I assumed they were always self contained helmet mounted jobbies.
So, I see that they are now fairly high tech, and typically with both forward and aft looking cameras. Questions:
1: do such systems typically record both fwd & aft channels at the same time? And if not do you then have some ‘bars mounted switch?
2: is the repeater unit (typically a 3” display) necessary to the system? (don’t reckon I’d want it)
All thoughts / recommendations welcome; I’ve never considered one before; but on Fri some idiot swapped lanes too closely on the m’way and whilst it won’t save my life it could be useful in ‘scrapes’.
Ta.
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I've been looking for a motorcycle ' dashcam' that just operates and records like the one I have in in the car.
I have a Gopro copy to use on the bike, but the battery life is too short. I have 2 batteries which last less than an hour each. If I use the waterproof case I can't connect the power lead to the bike battery. I mount the camera on the bike, most helmet mounted cameras look clumsy.
The best one I've seen is the Drift Ghost X. It's waterproof, slimline bullet style and connects to the bike battery. You could fit and forget except if you leave the bike unattended any time. It just records the front view but rear view add ons may be available.
The car type dashcams record front and rear views onto one memory card.
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Didn't have one when i started riding so, can't see the point now ::) Just another gimmick :o
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I got a dashcam after I got taken out by an idiot not looking. Because there were no witnesses he got away with it. I've got the camera for evidence, not pointless YouTube videos.
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....with the greatest respect Trig, the roads ain’t what they used to be 40+ yrs ago when we started out on wheels.
My daily drive (genuinely) is a 45HP split screen Kombi, who’s brakes and power are not really compatible with modern traffic. Not obvious until you drive such crap performance, but it’s a rude awakening to me (at least) at just how things have changed, whether it be congestion, etiquette, braking distances, top speeds etc. Energy management is the key; you look ahead 100s of yards planning traffic lights, roundabouts etc. My daughter / her hubby have no bloody idea.... 🤦♂️
Folk, generally, given modern pressures, modern performances, modern manners... are way more aggressive in their driving, and if an edge is available you might as well take it?
Especially on a bike....
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Not me either. Don't forget unless you are the perfect rider/driver who never breaks a law your own camera can also be used against yourself.
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Didn't have one when i started riding so, can't see the point now ::) Just another gimmick :o
I won't even own a smartphone, my brief flirtation with one had me end up chucking it in the river Thames. ... peace. ;D The first problem with these helmet mounted cams is that most people are recording their own guilt! :o
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Not me either. Don't forget unless you are the perfect rider/driver who never breaks a law your own camera can also be used against yourself.
Everyone that I know that has been involved in a accident with a camera it, has worked against them. "If you did not over take the two cars 3 miles ago then, you would not of been at the accident spot at the time of the event ". And " we are nicking you as, overtook a truck on a double white line 46 miles ago ".
Every accident i have been involved in. I have taken them to court with private lawyers and barristers (NOT from insurance company's) and in every case they have paid out a week before it is due in the high court as, they do not want to pay all the court fees.
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Not me either. Don't forget unless you are the perfect rider/driver who never breaks a law your own camera can also be used against yourself.
Only if they see it or you tell them you have one.
I'm looking for one which is completely hidden so in the event I ever get pulled by Mr Plod he can't spot it easily so can't ask for it's recordings. After getting wiped out in 2011 by some very nice lady driver suddenly spotting a McDonalds and turning across me and then getting 2 of her passengers to climb out and pretend to be passerby's who witnessed the whole thing Mr Plod and it was all the bikers fault I'd like a video of any future events as a just in case. Only for the fact one of the actual witnesses was a biker and heard them claiming to be witnesses and telling the police woman taking their statements that they were out of the car did I win my case. Incidentally they didn't get prosecuted for doing that, which was a joke in itself.
So what you are actually saying is without a camera it all worked out fine. ;)
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I have very mixed views on cameras
I had a dash cam in my van when I was hit head on in January it made no difference to my defence even though they were on my side of the road. :o it was settled 50/50 because apparenty I just agreed to go 50/50 in March when recovering from Covid. I don't even remember the phone call. But they played the recording of me talking jiberish I couldn't even remember how to spell my name on the recording.
Way back in May someone shunted me on the Guzzi and fled. A camera would have been nice if rear facing as I had no one to claim against.
Ithought I was fine but I have been in agony for months since and really struggle to get through the day and struggle to sleep at night.
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Not very discreet but this arrangement covers all angles 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Not very discreet but this arrangement covers all angles 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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There may be a different legal position with a camera "fitted" to you, versus fitted to the bike.
Thought a vehicle was available for inspection if used on public highway as part of licensing, as opposed to you wearing one that could need proscribed legal procedures to obtain access.
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There may be a different legal position with a camera "fitted" to you, versus fitted to the bike.
Thought a vehicle was available for inspection if used on public highway as part of licensing, as opposed to you wearing one that could need proscribed legal procedures to obtain access.
Stand at the side of the road and argue it if you want but i will bet you lose with a snotty cop.
Quick google search.
When the camera is attached to you and not the vehicle, the police still have the power to seize the equipment, without a warrant, under Section 19 of PACE :(
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I don't use them so don't have a definitive view either way.
Comment effectively from a police officer as it's their view that it's a fairly significant threshold to cross if they want to confiscate something like this without reasonable cause.
As opposed to a vehicle that's been involved in a accident and during subsequent inspection (the owner of which may not have been present) the recording having been accessed, may give reasonable cause to secure as evidence.
Subtle, but with obvious differences.
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I would buy the same helmet cam London cyclists use. Fitting one of those enables you to break the law, ride up one way streets the wrong way, go through red lights, ride on pavements, ride in the middle of the road etc. And using one of these entitles you to ride at night with no lights and when you get knocked off it's the car/lorry/van/motorcyclist's fault for not seeing you ;)
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I would buy the same helmet cam London cyclists use. Fitting one of those enables you to break the law, ride up one way streets the wrong way, go through red lights, ride on pavements, ride in the middle of the road etc. And using one of these entitles you to ride at night with no lights and when you get knocked off it's the car/lorry/van/motorcyclist's fault for not seeing you ;)
:) :) Don't forget no insurance, tax or mot either!
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I've never needed a camera until 1st September when a council operated minibus reversed into me at a T junction. A scary event on a motorbike, not having a reverse gear that I could hurriedly deploy. All I could do is press the horn and brace for impact.
At the scene, the driver admitted fault with a lame apology, stating that he only reversed about a foot.
A load of bollocks but an admission nevertheless.
Now, the cnut is saying that he didn't reverse at all but I drove into him. Even without a dash cam, I should have had the presence of mind to record his lame smidsy routine, but at the time I was a bit shaken up.
Before you suggest going on the Castle Park neighbourhood watch Facebook site, and knocking on doors to canvass for a witness, I've done it all and got nowhere.
As a last resort, I've contacted my Councillor who can, at least cast a magnifying glass over his driving standards.
To put you out of your misery, it wasn't the 400four that copped it.
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It bloody saddens me at how scummy / dishonest (some) folk have become. Desperate times I guess.....
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And to think the driver of the minibus is a so-called professional driver! Are you sure you didn't give him and the six other family members who were with him in the minibus at the time whiplash injuries when you rode into him at 125mph ::)
I sometimes catch a bit of TV with my breakfast when I get back from a run in the morning. There's a programme called 'Claimed and shamed'. Some of the insurance scams people claim for is beyond belief. Most of them are stupid enough to think the insurance company won't investigate dodgy sounding claims. The guy who suffered three whiplash injuries in three years was the best. On his third calim the insurance company found a shop's CCTV footage looking out onto the road where the accident occured. The footage showed him doing an emergency brake on the outside line of a dual carrigeway with no traffic in front of him. The car behind piled into him. Needless to say he is now spending some time at his local HMP to reflect on his errors!
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I'm afraid that I have no faith in people - the general public think its normal to claim these days.
My daughter in law bumped into the back of someone at a set of lights - just moving. There was no damage to his car and he said don't worry theres no damage. My son went done straight away to his address (as they exchanged names/ins details) and took pictures showing no damage. Next minute, a claim for whiplash went in and despite her insurance company investigating twitter and faceache posts showing him showing off in the gym, he ended up getting £4000. This guy was a senior executive at our local NHS Trust! Bludy crook!
And you only need to look at the litter and masks discarded on the local heath where we walk the dog to assess peoples attitude to others - its the little things in life that make the difference to the bigger picture but people think the little actions they do makes no difference - most of society are selfish (just like that bus driver)
Grumpy old git rant over and out!
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I'm afraid that I have no faith in people - the general public think its normal to claim these days.
My daughter in law bumped into the back of someone at a set of lights - just moving. There was no damage to his car and he said don't worry theres no damage. My son went down to his house straight away to his address (as they exchanged names/ins details) and took pictures showing no damage. Next minute, a claim for whiplash went in and despite her insurance company investigating twitter and faceache posts showing him showing off in the gym, he ended up getting £4000. This guy was a senior executive at our local NHS Trust! Bludy crook!
And you only need to look at the litter and masks discarded on the local heath where we walk the dog to assess peoples attitude to others - its the little things in life that make the difference to the bigger picture but people think the little actions they do makes no difference - most of society are selfish (just like that bus driver)
Grumpy old git rant over and out!
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I don`t have a camera but always carry a mobile to take photos etc. I got hit from behind on my Vmax while I was stationery in a queue of traffic at a roundabout. The Nigerian lady in the 4 x 4 claimed jumped out and said "look what you`ve done to my car (number plate had fallen off that was all). She claimed I "reversed" into her and got a no win no fee company involved. She got a dodgy invoice from a garage for new bumper and radiator totalling about £2,500. Her NWNF company Irwin Mitchell tried to get me to settle out of court and go 50/50. I wouldn`t. They didn`t think I`d show but I did. She didn`t show up and even the judge felt her claim was ridiculous. Her brief was made to look a bloody fool and case went my way. Was extremely stressful but there was no way it was my fault what so ever. Got the Vmax repaired and ended up about £1200 in pocket.
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Fortunately not all are the same and I still have a bit of faith ln people, some may say I am foolish but I wouldn't sting anyone. would any of you. In Sept I was knocked off by a U turning transit taxi on the outskirts of Newquay. I was on the Kawasaki Z750s,.No injury to me or damage to clothing, The bike only suffered a broken fairing one side and badly scratched the other side, damaged lever and bar end weight, still rideable. I didn't really want to go down the insurance route and he didn't either as no doubt it could have impacted on his living. This year had been hard enough for people as it is. I said i would get all the parts and do the repairs myself if he paid for them. I sourced parts and prices sent him a text and before we moved on from Newquay he had transferred the money in full and thanked me for my Understanding and honesty on the price of the parts.
I see no reason to make someones life harder than it needs to be or take advantage just because i can. I will say he was also a biker not that that should make any difference.
What goes around comes around.
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That's a good result, the taxi bloke paying for the damage like that.
With my claim, as I pointed out to the insurance bod from the council, I m not claiming for any personal injuries, whiplash etc, or new leather jacket or a top of the range helmet. I just want the damage to my bike sorted.
With the council, I can't be sure the driver is lying to cover his arse or if he's been ordered to lie to save the council's arse.
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That's a good result, the taxi bloke paying for the damage like that.
With my claim, as I pointed out to the insurance bod from the council, I m not claiming for any personal injuries, whiplash etc, or new leather jacket or a top of the range helmet. I just want the damage to my bike sorted.
With the council, I can't be sure the driver is lying to cover his arse or if he's been ordered to lie to save the council's arse.
It will be a fair bet he's lying to cover his arse and maybe save his job,
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I had a near miss 10 years ago or so. Going along a residential street on my R1, only doing about 30.
Guy pulls out from the left in this big estate Merc with the tail gate all the way up in the air.
He had just enough time to pull out but out of the back this huge old style Cathode Ray Tube TV flew out and bounced along the road towards me, I had just enough time to swerve and avoid it. Probably talking 50 inch TV size.
Imagine trying to explain colliding with a TV to the insurance company?