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Title: Electrifying our History
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on December 13, 2022, 07:10:26 PM
https://us7.campaign-archive.com/?e=8ff228b59c&u=76671c22dc36c302e733c731b&id=631bed6662

Quite tastefully done I think.

Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: SumpMagnet on December 13, 2022, 08:53:14 PM
I actually like the look of that.

All too often the battery box looks out of place, but here they managed to get it to look like an oversized period tool box.

Hub motor, with the electrics in the side panels and the petrol tank is fairly standard, and the performance is fine for a commuter or town riding. Shame aboutht erange though.
I guess they went small on the battery box to get the look, and the range is the end result. 
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 13, 2022, 10:53:17 PM
At least the braking will improve with regenerative braking
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2022, 12:39:42 PM
This is quite interesting also:

https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1430463

Maybe we will start seeing more of this kind of thing in the future?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 14, 2022, 12:45:04 PM
God I hope not. It’s not a classic then?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: andy120t on December 14, 2022, 01:00:48 PM
Range 30-40miles..

But it still might best the Lucas electrics on a wet  night.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 14, 2022, 01:11:32 PM
Ahh Lucas F.A.D.E.😁
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: taysidedragon on December 14, 2022, 01:51:12 PM
Range 30-40miles..

But it still might best the Lucas electrics on a wet  night.


🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 14, 2022, 02:01:55 PM
OMG really. I'd sooner walk or even worse, drive a car.

Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: paul G on December 15, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
It's all Bo**Ox it's never going to be electric in the long term.
We lease a Citroen electric van similar size to a tranny.
From fully charged on a motorway we get roughly 80m before you need to recharge it, slighly more if you put it into economy mode.
This means NO heating, air con no nothing. So when I send the electricians out to site say Newcastle, they have to stop for 2 hours going and two hours on the return to charge it to 80%.
That means I have two electricians sat in services drinking coffee for 4 hours £200 and £70 to charge it  ::)
Needless to say, we now hire a van and leave the electric crap at work for others to use it on short journeys and hire one.
Hydrogen is the way all the major car companies are going and investing millions into it.
Buy electric at your peril.

Edit, forgot to add we can't generate enough electric now ! what we going to do when everyone starts plugging their cars in at night  ;)
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Johnny4428 on December 15, 2022, 10:41:01 AM
It's all Bo**Ox it's never going to be electric in the long term.
We lease a Citroen electric van similar size to a tranny.
From fully charged on a motorway we get roughly 80m before you need to recharge it, slighly more if you put it into economy mode.
This means NO heating, air con no nothing. So when I send the electricians out to site say Newcastle, they have to stop for 2 hours going and two hours on the return to charge it to 80%.
That means I have two electricians sat in services drinking coffee for 4 hours £200 and £70 to charge it  ::)
Needless to say, we now hire a van and leave the electric crap at work for others to use it on short journeys and hire one.
Hydrogen is the way all the major car companies are going and investing millions into it.
Buy electric at your peril.

Edit, forgot to add we can't generate enough electric now ! what we going to do when everyone starts plugging their cars in at night  ;)
I agree Paul, it’s shocking the reality. (no pun intended)
Inevitably road tax and charging will certainly increase on these vehicles too. Just not feasible. I think petrol and diesel will be around a while yet.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on December 15, 2022, 10:51:44 AM
It's all Bo**Ox it's never going to be electric in the long term.
We lease a Citroen electric van similar size to a tranny.
From fully charged on a motorway we get roughly 80m before you need to recharge it, slighly more if you put it into economy mode.
This means NO heating, air con no nothing. So when I send the electricians out to site say Newcastle, they have to stop for 2 hours going and two hours on the return to charge it to 80%.
That means I have two electricians sat in services drinking coffee for 4 hours £200 and £70 to charge it  ::)
Needless to say, we now hire a van and leave the electric crap at work for others to use it on short journeys and hire one.
Hydrogen is the way all the major car companies are going and investing millions into it.
Buy electric at your peril.

Edit, forgot to add we can't generate enough electric now ! what we going to do when everyone starts plugging their cars in at night  ;)

Spot on.

I need to look at a new vehicle for work/ personal. For space and everything -  lwb Berlingo fits the bill. But now only available as electric / no petrol or diesel. Manufacturer claims 170m range but I think realistically 120-140. Ok most the time until you get the unplanned exception, so won't be going that route.

There is a hydrogen option of my Peugeot Expert current van (at least on the continent). How many uk hydrogen fillings stations in the UK? 11 and I understand some of them are closing.

With all these things you need a long term infrastructure plan so people will have confidence to change  to greener ways.

Going to sit tight and buy another diesel for now.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 15, 2022, 12:53:20 PM
Whether we like it or not…..it’s gonna happen. I don’t necessarily wholly agree with concept or objective, but we are missing the point. It’s about the introduction of a new market energy economy and that’s impossible if we rely on fossil fuels. It’s all about the money…as ever.

And as for plugging in at night, get yourself familiar with smart grid…it can actually work.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 15, 2022, 01:36:36 PM
Also factor in that the Government intends to phase out cheap night rate electricity and suddenly that electric vehicle isn't so cheap anymore.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: paul G on December 15, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
Whether we like it or not…..it’s gonna happen. I don’t necessarily wholly agree with concept or objective, but we are missing the point. It’s about the introduction of a new market energy economy and that’s impossible if we rely on fossil fuels. It’s all about the money…as ever.

And as for plugging in at night, get yourself familiar with smart grid…it can actually work.
No one is denying we have to go green but electric is not the answer.
Hydrogen will be the way forward which is why the car industry is investing millions into it.
We haven't got or ever will have the infrastructure to carry out the electric rout
The car industry were pushed down this rout by their relative governments.
Also have a look why most if not all new heating boilers are hydrogen compatible  ;)
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 15, 2022, 02:04:53 PM
Yep, hydrogen will also form part of the plan…no,doubt. As will fossil, hydro, wind, wave, ☢️ and so on and so forth. I can’t imagine anybody thinks the world will be all electric, but I’ll bet you somebody Else’s mortgage the electron will be up front and centre. Hydrogen to produce electricity anybody?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 15, 2022, 04:04:15 PM
Has anybody told Planet Earth we also need Green Volcanoes?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 15, 2022, 04:14:41 PM
I agree with Paul, electric was a stop gap and not thought out, a knew jerk reaction. Everyone who bought an electric car was conned, when hydrogen comes out you won't be able to give them away, plus you can guarantee the Government will then start to tax electric because of the environmental issues they cause, disposal will be a nightmare. Hydrogen is the answer, it's abundant, a never ending source of power and the existing engine technology can be readily converted to use Hydrogen, it's just getting the safety factor solved which is delaying it's rollout.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 15, 2022, 04:40:26 PM
So what's next with Gas boilers like the change from Town Gas to North Sea we get a Hydrogen or synthetic gas so we can just get the jets/burners changed ?

Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Johnny4428 on December 15, 2022, 05:34:48 PM
Someone with more knowledge put me right. I understood that a hydrogen fuelled vehicle was still an electric vehicle, using hydrogen for power source instead of battery’s. So Hydrogen-fuel cell-motor?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 15, 2022, 05:51:12 PM
AFAIK and this is only my understanding of it but Hydrogen replaces the fuel the engine uses as standard, whether it's compatible with Diesel engines I have no idea. They kept commenting on the only thing coming out of the exhaust is water not Co2 so that led me to suspect the engine is still in place.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 15, 2022, 06:35:43 PM
Hydrogen fuel, hydrogen engine. But I’ve used hydrogen engines to produce electricity for Data Centres.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on December 15, 2022, 06:44:31 PM
AFAIK and this is only my understanding of it but Hydrogen replaces the fuel the engine uses as standard, whether it's compatible with Diesel engines I have no idea. They kept commenting on the only thing coming out of the exhaust is water not Co2 so that led me to suspect the engine is still in place.

2 forms. Hydrogen as a fuel in conventional internal combustion  engine  and then hydrogen cell making electricity for electric motor.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Arch stanton on December 16, 2022, 06:43:26 AM
And how much electricity does it take to produce Hydrogen?
How inefficient is Hydrogen compared to Petrol & Diesel?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Multiman on December 16, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
My understanding is
The cheapest way to produce hydrogen at the moment is by extracting from methane but you get left with co2. So not a great solution
You can make it by electrolysis from water but it takes a huge amount of electricity to do so which you could just put into a battery.
If you burn hydrogen in an internal combustion engine using air to provide the oxygen it still produces  nitrogen pollutants and other compounds of anything else in the combustion air
The only way to use hydrogen so you only produce water at the tailpipe is in a fuel cell. This generates electricity to drive electric propulsion.
So in short hydrogen is very expensive to make unless you have masses of excess electricity.
It’s one of the solutions but not cost effect at the moment.
I think there are two places in the uk you can fill up your hydrogen car right now.
We have two cars
One internal combustion
One battery leaf
We charge the leaf at home and it does on average 4miles/kWh
We use the leaf for over 90% of our journeys and the Tiguan for long ones or towing.
If we couldn’t charge at home I wouldn’t have bothered with the Leaf.
Just my 5 penny worths.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 16, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
A friend of mine recently purchased a used BMW i3 (old model) its all electric with a small built in range extender that runs on petrol  - sounds a sensible idea he can top up his battery on the move using the petrol driven generator. It's a shame that this idea has not gained more popularity as it cuts out range anxiety - BMW have now dropped this optional extra.

Downside is that when the battery gives up the car is scrap like most EV s on the market at the moment - hybrids have a similar issue - I doubt any of the current all electric cars can have a life span exceeding 12 years - makes a 50 year old Honda look good.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: andy120t on December 16, 2022, 04:19:38 PM
 A quick look on Auto trader shows BMWi3's with 80/90k miles at around £13k. Ouch. That's a lot of money.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Lobo on December 16, 2022, 11:59:38 PM
Recently saw a documentary of Hydrogen (ie Fuel Cell) cars versus battery, and the conclusion was resoundingly in favour of batteries given the efficiencies of energy ‘production’ at source, to transmission / transport, to vehicle storage, to motive conversion at the drive wheels.  (Ken, I don’t think reciprocating hydrogen units feature in envisaged autos?)

My wife has an i3 with Range Extender - it’s perfect for us, and typically only use it’s REx once or twice a year as we’ve no other major car. (the 50 yo Kombi too nail biting for 1000km trips 😂). Day to day running is essentially free due home solar. (I fully expect it to keep on going, sure the battery will degrade with time, but even at 20 years and (eg) half the original range it’d still suit our needs. (At 4 yo there is no noticeable drop off))

The point however is, that it charges at abouts 6kW/h, (ie 40kph)… using 2014 technology.
ONLY 8 years later… and the Teslas are now capable of 300km in 5 minutes. Holy moley. Yes you need their DC supercharger, and yes you have to prewarn the battery so that it can pre-condition itself - but these are just steps in the endless path to electrical storage efficiencies.
Efficient (ha!) ICEs and plentiful fuel infrastructures took 10s of years to mature, so why do folk not anticipate and allow the same of battery technologies?

Personally, I can’t envisage ever buying another ICE, the ownership is as stark as an old Nokia versus a smart phone, or, a sophisticated and needy pocket watch versus a Swatch watch.

Aerospace industries are researching electrical propulsion for flight; and indeed there are commercial aircraft now flying; one outfit at Popham operates an electric 2 seat light trainer.

I honestly don’t see any choice but electric for the future, given politics, green agendas, efficiencies, lack of plausible alternatives.  Just give it (a little) time.

Below, and only to make you jealous (!) a typical days home solar production. The car is being charged towards the end of the day; the surplus energy (grey) is sold back to the supplier at about 60% of what they provide it at. The UK is woefully behind here; we get financial incentives to install solar, and financial rewards for selling excess back - which I believe has stopped in England?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 17, 2022, 06:32:36 AM
Love that picture Lobo.

I ordered solar PV in August but don’t expect installation until at least Feb/Mar as the panels are on long lead times due to demand ( and the fact that they come from China )

6 panels on my south-facing terraced house for a total of just under 4kW. Should be ample for my usage profile.

2.9kW battery mounted on the wall in the attic.

You are correct. No subsidies here.

Electric car charging would be an issue for me as we only have kerbside parking out the front. Garages round the back but I’d have dig up the communally-owned tarmac to get power out there.

If anyone else is interested, we could have a solar PV thread to swap experiences. Save joining a solar PV forum!

Steve


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Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 17, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
Batteries, that’s interesting Steve. I assume you mean 2kwhr?.

I presume the installers are going to install some kind of changeover device to isolate your house from the grid when the mains fails? I’m curious because under normal operation the solar generation will export what you are not using. If the mains fails all the stored energy, other than what you are using, will be exported. The typical quiescent load for a gas heated home is around 300w. If they isolate you from the mains you will get around 4/5 hours of ride through providing enough power for some lighting and your central heating pump….I like that idea.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 17, 2022, 08:03:48 AM
Yes. 2.9kWh. It’s the largest that is wall-mounted.

The installation includes an isolator switch as you describe.

My house runs at 260W without any of the obvious appliances switched on.


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Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Orcade-Ian on December 17, 2022, 09:16:25 AM
Hi Steve,
It would be great to have a section devoted to this.  We have been thinking solar PV for a while now but were always reluctant to get involved with any Gov schemes - the rich eating out of the hands of ..........  (Don’t want me collar felt!). We don’t want anything back other than leccy that we can use or store.  Up in Orkney where there is a ‘bit of a breeze’ now and then, I would favour a ground mounted rig - we have plenty of that.
We just bought a Pramac 5000 Generator for any outages and I connect that to a special switched socket in the garage where the Genny sits.  Does the PV system with inverter and batteries need a mains supply in the event of outages?  BTW a friend up here has an older Gov backed rig which produces almost the same yearly output as another mate’s system much farther south in West Lancashire. 

Ian
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 17, 2022, 10:34:48 AM
Even better……potentially 9 hours or so of autonomy.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Lobo on December 17, 2022, 09:25:24 PM
Given you’re not rewarded for feeding back to the grid Steve your set up sounds perfect. Solar panels are like computers in terms of development, when I bought ours (best avail) 4 years ago they were rated at 325W each. Your’s appear double that…
(None of my business I appreciate, but it seems that mix & matching charging set-ups can be a world of pain wrt getting the Inverter to talk to the battery etc. I know this coz earlier this year looked into it, and only then realised how sophisticated these set-ups are; the advice given was to try and use a common manufacturer for all component parts - or at least use tried & proven set ups. Certainly, too many cowboy outfits about.)


Over here (ie Oz), the ability to go off grid as such, is a whole new can of worms. On a normal home set up, if the grid fails your inverter becomes unpowered and the home goes dark. This is a deliberate safety factor to avoid homes reverse-powering the grid and electrocuting maintenance folk every time they shut down local power lines. Whether a battery powered home could incorporate an isolation switch I don’t know, but I’d guess the authorities will have concerns.
My PV switch is to isolate the PV array from the Inverter, ie make working on the roof safe. (This switch is duplicated to the external home switch box for firemen etc)

Wrt home batteries, a really obvious EV development is becoming available… V2L, V2G, V2H etc.
V2L(oad) means you can power anything up to circa 3kW from your car, or indeed charge other cars (great for camping etc)
V2G will allow your car to power the grid, but if UK energy companies won’t pay out why would ya?
V2H allows your vehicle to power your home, and given that EVs typically have batteries 5x the size of home batteries (eg 70kWh vs 14kWh Powerwall) you could indeed power any average home for an extended outage.

Currently, over here, batteries do not make financial sense given the rebates we get on excess kWhrs, but certainly I reckon I’ll be looking hard at V2H in the next car.

I’d appreciate a Solar PV thread; exciting times ahead in this respect and it’s all changing so fast.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Lobo on December 17, 2022, 09:44:45 PM
Btw Steve, earlier in the year, on another thread here, it was pointed out to me that a PV array on your roof invalidates house insurance due the fact that UK firemen won’t go near a flaming house with solar panels. Just a thought and something you may want to verify / investigate?

Can’t remember that poster - if you’re here can you chip in & re-elaborate pls?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 17, 2022, 09:59:41 PM
I don’t recall anything about ‘invalidating insurance’, but fire fighters certainly are very wary of PV if there is a fire.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 17, 2022, 10:08:02 PM
http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,28172.msg264065.html#msg264065.

I posted the Zurich report…though it’s dated. The risk to fire fighters is that you cannot ‘isolate’ the DC input voltage to the inverter. Fire fighters have developed techniques to deal with PV fire though. Speak to your local Building Control Officer or PV supplier/installer who will have all the facts.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: MCTID on December 18, 2022, 12:32:17 AM
My 'two pennyworth' is that I certainly agree to having a dedicated section about 'alternative' power on our Forum......after all, there are some extremely smart people on here who I regard as being worth listening to.

In the next few years we are all going to have to make some important decisions, so the wider the debate, and the more 'unbiased' and accurate advice we can get, the better.

Personally at 72, there isn't much point in me investing in anything other than my 15 year old ICE Mondeo....as it's only covered 36K miles, but I'm sure there are many others who will welcome good advice as and when they are seriously thinking about what they should be investing in in the future.

Bring it on.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 18, 2022, 05:34:08 AM
Lets not forget this is a sohc forum for 2 wheel petrol heads - I suspect there is a danger of it drifting towards politics if we do.
For those seeking to go off grid for Electricity there are other places on the internet.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Arch stanton on December 18, 2022, 06:33:05 AM
No true motorcyclist would ever ride a electric motorcycle..
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 18, 2022, 06:45:30 AM
I suspect there is a danger of it drifting towards politics if we do.

Not going to happen Ted.

We don’t do politics here. Sometimes a comment or two pop up in a thread but I normally let them go as long as it doesn’t degenerate. Deleting posts in mid thread sometimes breaks stuff.


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Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on December 18, 2022, 06:46:18 AM
No true motorcyclist would ever ride a electric motorcycle..
QED (Ted)

This is a point of view - not a rant.


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Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 18, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
Henry Cole ridden an electric bike, but then again I don't consider him to be a true motorcyclist, just someone who claims to be to earn money.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: andy120t on December 18, 2022, 05:02:05 PM
If you wind back a century or so, electric, steam, petrol, diesel were all there as options to replace the horse.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 18, 2022, 06:19:06 PM
What’s a”true motorcyclist”? And who would want to be one?
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 18, 2022, 06:27:05 PM
IMO at true motorcyclist is one prepared to ride in any weather, doesn't matter how windy or snowy it is they'll get the bike out. They don't say it looks like rain so I'll not bother, they aren't really interested in being admired, that's not why they like motorcycling, to them it's about the thrill, the ride, in some respects the danger, they know the danger but they take as many steps as they need to reduce it. If they come off, the first thought is the bike not themselves, if they are injured they can't wait to get back on.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 18, 2022, 06:39:51 PM
Henry Cole ridden an electric bike, but then again I don't consider him to be a true motorcyclist, just someone who claims to be to earn money.
If you have read his biography he has been a life long motorcyclist it pre-dated his Heroin addiction so I  have to disagree with you Ken.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: SumpMagnet on December 18, 2022, 06:51:37 PM
I don't watch Henry Cole on TV because I can't stand his infernal wittering and find his manner very annoying. Never met the bloke..so it might be his idea of a TV personality... but whatever, I can't watch him.

As far as electric bikes go.... I would consider one as a commuter.

Real biker? Ride to work every day in all weathers, and have done since I was old enough to ride on the road. Lost a few days this week due to packed ice and snow on the roads...and had to borrow the eldest son's pedal assist bicycle so I could push it to roads that had actually been salted. They only did bus routes here...But for a short range commute, the simplicity and ease of maintenance do appeal.

Would I sell my daily or my F2 for one....God no.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 18, 2022, 07:11:06 PM
I'm not keen on most of his TV programs either but my BiL lent me his biograph/book about 6 months ago. It was a fascinating read with real warts & all disclosures leaving me in admiration of his ability to pull up his socks recovering from bankruptcy & heroin addiction. Motorcycling is at the core of his story in many ways.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 18, 2022, 08:11:14 PM
I really don't like Henry Cole, his condescending manner just gets on my wick, he's always trying to be funny and he isn't. He always seem to find every bike the best that's ever been, I've never heard him give a real life honest to god impression on anything. We can't love all bikes, there are some we just don't like, no reason sometimes, they just don't float our boat. He doesn't seem to have any of those. He appears to have zero mechanical knowledge, he seems barely able to handle a spanner never mind use it. I watch his program despite that, I like to see some of the rides he does, I like to listen to Alan Millyard and see his genius at work. He always seems to have mates he loves to put down as well, that annoys me as well.

Whilst I have no doubt he started as a genuine biker I don't think he's one now, too interested in making money off bikes IMO.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Bryanj on December 18, 2022, 08:45:03 PM
Have you noticed that a lot of things from find it fix it flog it and his series with sam lovgrove(i think) turn up in the shed and buried series
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on December 18, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
Just smiling as I read these Cole posts where we "mostly" share the same dislike of him for similar reasons. But we all watch his shows.....
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 18, 2022, 09:44:09 PM
Thank god I’m not a ‘motorcyclist’ or ‘biker’. I just do it for fun both home and abroad and have been doing so for 45 years. I don’t see the fun in suffering. But that’s just me.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: K2-K6 on December 19, 2022, 09:12:49 AM
I feel Henry Cole does a very good job of both bringing these topic to mainstream programming, along with his presentation.  Pitcing any program at all to tv scheduled viewing is not easy to accomplish as the only topic they deal with is drama (think about that for a while) everything is just suspense, leading to drama and then denouement, all within 1/2 hour slots neatly packaged between advertising delivery.

Notice how any vehicle in any program/film is used for this ploy of "will it start, won't it start" scenario and most likely to crash in flames in a feature film ? It's just what the dramatist in TV program understand. The vehicle is just drama fodder in their minds.

Without Henry, no one would even see Alan, Sam, Guy etc on any mainstream programming, each of them clever in their own knowledgeable way.
I dont read it as disparaging in any way toward his co presenters, they clearly have a good time with him and with some subtle jokes about his lack of specific knowledge along with short attention span delivered in friendly humour towards Henry. 
A very welcome addition to tv programming in my view, instead of the general fodder offered over most channels.

Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 19, 2022, 10:45:45 AM
Second that K2-K6.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 19, 2022, 10:47:36 AM
Well said K2-K6 I agree with your comments I would add the following.

Back in the late 1960's I remember watching Spanish TV when on holiday - it seemed to be game shows and drivel plus some nudity.
Now here in the UK we have lowered the bar so low we even make programmes out of people sat on a sofa watching TV.
Call me old fashioned but if its Drama what's wrong with having a script with plasusable actors plying their trade - acting.
I do not want to watch so called reality TV with Trout Pout women & pumped up Charles Atlas Men uttering drivel.

Most of the TV we watch in the winter evenings is stuff filmed  20 years ago - current TV seems to be catering for a population that has an attention span measured in nano seconds with the comprehension ability needing Amoeba sized brains.

Henry Cole towers above the norm imho even if he can be patronising & irritating to watch - at least bikers are getting a better press now.  We can even cater for the foodies with Hairy Bikers. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: andy120t on December 19, 2022, 11:36:00 AM
Yes, he's done a good job of getting airtime for bikes and other interesting stuff. Just think, before him we had OCC.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: heli_madken on December 19, 2022, 12:10:56 PM
I love the programme and watch it avidly, dont really mind Henry. The only thing I would say (and I know each to their own etc) is I dont get his fascination with British bikes of the 60's and 70's era.

He is 5 years younger than me and my recollection of youth and especially into the 80's British bikes were just completely uncool, personally would not have been seen dead on one. So I cant understand why he waxes lyrical about riding them in his youth at all as he would only have been a teenager in the early 80's.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Arch stanton on December 19, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
Everything thing he does. Is completely scripted & staged.
I clearly remember one episode. Where Glen English rode a MV triple.
And Henry cole says. This MV is identical to the bike ridden by 13 times world champion Gianfranco Agostini!
It could only either Giacomo Agostini or his team mate  Gianfranco Bonera.
Very poor. The bloke is a Buffoon.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 19, 2022, 02:21:59 PM
No he’s not, yes he is, oh no he’s not. He’s behind you…..
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 19, 2022, 02:23:35 PM
Henry is also capable of taking the piss.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 19, 2022, 06:55:12 PM
No he’s not, yes he is, oh no he’s not. He’s behind you…..


Ooooh, no he isn't!


met him a few times, nice bloke, just needs to stop putting the word 'dichotomy' into every other sentence! Had a good chat with him about long distance biking and the woe's of managimg your diabetes at the same timel he's type 1 llike me.

Love hom or hate him, bikes on telly, win win for all I reckon.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 19, 2022, 07:57:55 PM
As it's his production company making the program it's unlikely that he will be replaced. I can tolerate him so long as it's a bike program, some of his rides look really nice, I just wish he weren't such an arse.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 19, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
As it's his production company making the program it's unlikely that he will be replaced. I can tolerate him so long as it's a bike program, some of his rides look really nice, I just wish he weren't such an arse.

His background was in film production so no surprise there.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 19, 2022, 08:31:07 PM
As it's his production company making the program it's unlikely that he will be replaced. I can tolerate him so long as it's a bike program, some of his rides look really nice, I just wish he weren't such an arse.


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: K2-K6 on December 20, 2022, 09:49:51 PM
For those that don't want to miss out, Christmas edition of MCN has 4 page spread dedicated to Henry and friends  ;D

Oh yes it does !   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 20, 2022, 10:20:39 PM
We met my daughter &  Son-in-Law for lunch yesterterday he has a very tasty new  Ford Mustang Mach E 240 mile real world range.
His only criticism was the poor load capacity & a far too complex screen control for the heater plus some minor glitches in the software.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 20, 2022, 11:31:42 PM
For those that don't want to miss out, Christmas edition of MCN has 4 page spread dedicated to Henry and friends  ;D

Oh yes it does !   ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D
Ken'll be queing up to get a copy of that  ;);D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 20, 2022, 11:48:52 PM
For those that don't want to miss out, Christmas edition of MCN has 4 page spread dedicated to Henry and friends  ;D

Oh yes it does !   ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D
Ken'll be queing up to get a copy of that  ;);D ;D

Yeah I need something to wipe my arse with.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Matt_Harrington on December 21, 2022, 08:44:26 AM
I'm not keen on most of his TV programs either but my BiL lent me his biograph/book about 6 months ago. It was a fascinating read with real warts & all disclosures leaving me in admiration of his ability to pull up his socks recovering from bankruptcy & heroin addiction. Motorcycling is at the core of his story in many ways.
With you there Ted - it was a fascinating read and I felt you got to see the real person.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 21, 2022, 11:22:26 AM
For those that don't want to miss out, Christmas edition of MCN has 4 page spread dedicated to Henry and friends  ;D

Oh yes it does !   ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D
Ken'll be queing up to get a copy of that  ;);D ;D

Yeah I need something to wipe my arse with.


Pa ha ha haaa, you miserable git ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 21, 2022, 01:51:38 PM
Tis the season to be jolly, tra a la etc.

Signed copies on their way to you Ken. I’ve also made an application to the HC fan club on your behalf.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Matt_Harrington on December 21, 2022, 01:52:41 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 22, 2022, 10:36:31 AM
I'm not keen on most of his TV programs either but my BiL lent me his biograph/book about 6 months ago. It was a fascinating read with real warts & all disclosures leaving me in admiration of his ability to pull up his socks recovering from bankruptcy & heroin addiction. Motorcycling is at the core of his story in many ways.
With you there Ted - it was a fascinating read and I felt you got to see the real person.

A agree Matt out of all the Biographies I've read in the last 20 year his book "A Bikers Life" & John Stalkers stand out as great & interesting reads.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: K2-K6 on December 22, 2022, 02:32:06 PM
Sounds like we have more need for a Henry Cole thread than a make your own electric~tricity for your house thread.

Wondering if there'll be a HC advent calender next Christmas, we could chip in for one to delight Ken with  :)
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Oddjob on December 22, 2022, 02:59:02 PM
Probably laxative chocolates behind each door, I don't need them as just seeing him gives me the shits.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 22, 2022, 03:04:52 PM
😹😀😀
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: K2-K6 on December 22, 2022, 03:36:34 PM
Could always apply to have him rummage around your shed, then a friendly haggle to finish  ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: andy120t on December 22, 2022, 03:51:15 PM
Could always apply to have him rummage around your shed, then a friendly haggle to finish  ;D

Sounds like a line from Finbarr Saunders?!


Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 22, 2022, 06:23:03 PM
Probably laxative chocolates behind each door, I don't need them as just seeing him gives me the shits.


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Arch stanton on December 22, 2022, 06:39:47 PM
Do I sense a fellow Viz reader in our midst?
A publication far superior to that rag Mcn.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 22, 2022, 06:43:58 PM
I have several Viz annuals on the toilet window cill ;)

Little concerned as to what a'friendly haggle' consists of after having 'my shed rummaged' ??? ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Bryanj on December 22, 2022, 07:14:00 PM
Sorry more into Perishers
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Sesman on December 22, 2022, 07:37:27 PM
Roger’s profanasaures is a good read.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: K2-K6 on December 22, 2022, 07:44:14 PM
Finbarr Saunders and his double entendres, which reminds me of an old classic use of that genre but likely to be knobbled by political correction now.

Beautiful women walks into a cocktail bar, invited by the barman to make selection from those listed on the blackboard of currently available cocktails, took her time, intrigued by some of the more obscure, asked for a "double entendre" at which point the barman gave her one.
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: K2-K6 on December 22, 2022, 07:45:46 PM
Roger’s profanasaures is a good read.

That makes me laugh does that  ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 22, 2022, 09:28:36 PM
Roger’s profanasaures is a good read.


Got one ;D
Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Johnwebley on December 25, 2022, 10:27:59 AM
I feel Henry Cole does a very good job of both bringing these topic to mainstream programming, along with his presentation.  Pitcing any program at all to tv scheduled viewing is not easy to accomplish as the only topic they deal with is drama (think about that for a while) everything is just suspense, leading to drama and then denouement, all within 1/2 hour slots neatly packaged between advertising delivery.

Notice how any vehicle in any program/film is used for this ploy of "will it start, won't it start" scenario and most likely to crash in flames in a feature film ? It's just what the dramatist in TV program understand. The vehicle is just drama fodder in their minds.

Without Henry, no one would even see Alan, Sam, Guy etc on any mainstream programming, each of them clever in their own knowledgeable way.
I dont read it as disparaging in any way toward his co presenters, they clearly have a good time with him and with some subtle jokes about his lack of specific knowledge along with short attention span delivered in friendly humour towards Henry. 
A very welcome addition to tv programming in my view, instead of the general fodder offered over most channels.
I watch Henry's programme because he brings us Allen,Sam and Guy,

Henry's attitude is his TV persona,

I have met him and he is as nice as pie,



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Title: Re: Electrifying our History
Post by: Johnwebley on December 25, 2022, 10:32:45 AM
Sorry more into Perishers
Love the Perishers



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