Post by: Wiinberg on September 01, 2017, 11:56:36 PM
This is my second 400F, and this one feels a bit under powered. So yet another reason to have a look on the engine. Going to check the compression before disassembly.
Not sure what the path is with this one. I am strongly considering a 466 kit, and also toying with the idea of dual disc up front. I'll see what the future brings. And to the most important part, some pictures.
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Post by: Wiinberg on September 01, 2017, 11:57:32 PM
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Post by: hairygit on September 02, 2017, 12:03:37 AM
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Post by: Johnwebley on September 02, 2017, 12:07:03 AM
lots and lots of 400 owners here,as well as lots of help and advice
enjoy the madhouse
lots of fun
Post by: Bryanj on September 02, 2017, 12:26:10 AM
Post by: hairygit on September 02, 2017, 12:31:52 AM
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Post by: mike the bike on September 02, 2017, 08:49:34 AM
Looks like there's enough work to keep you busy over the winter. I did the Superdream front end conversion back in the 80s. It stopped OK but didn't look pretty. Back in the 80s it wasn't a classic then, just another ornery bike.
When I went to the Police compound full of stolen bikes, two years after it went missing, I recognised it straightaway by the odd wheels.
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 02, 2017, 08:56:43 AM
Post by: petermigreen on September 02, 2017, 11:15:04 AM
Peter
Post by: Wiinberg on September 02, 2017, 02:55:05 PM
Hi and welcome to the madhouse. That looks rather like a Mocheck Harrier, which was a conversion a British company did to 400/4's back in the 70's. Be interesting to know if it was one or just similar looking. Anyway, good luck with the work on it.
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Thank you. That sounds interesting, do you now of any way to identify it, what i should look for? I don't have any history on it sadly.
Welcome from me also. Looks like a great project. But I pity your poor back as you don't seem to have a single working surface!
Peter
I'm on the lookout for a small hydraulic stand, to get it off the ground in an acceptable height. That would be much appreciated i think.
With regards to the dual disc, i'm not sure what route i'll take. Maybe 550 front end or welding brackets to the right 400 leg if i can find someone to do a nice clean job.
Post by: Wiinberg on September 02, 2017, 05:02:38 PM
Welcome to the forum Wiinberg,
Looks like there's enough work to keep you busy over the winter. I did the Superdream front end conversion back in the 80s. It stopped OK but didn't look pretty. Back in the 80s it wasn't a classic then, just another ornery bike.
When I went to the Police compound full of stolen bikes, two years after it went missing, I recognised it straightaway by the odd wheels.
Thanks! Yes, and bit more work than i first thought, but that's the way it is with these bikes. Took the tank and rear fender off today, noticed a couple of red wires that shouldn't be there. Traced them to under the tank where i found a big birdsnest of wires coupled with two relays and then on to the head light bucket. Have no idea what they are for. I hate electrics. My last 400 i replaced the whole harness, already thinking about doing it on this one too ???
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Also noted a couple of differences from my old one, this one has the passenger pegs mounted on the swingarm. And the steering lock built in the ignition vs. on the steering stem on my old one. That's pretty cool.
Post by: hairygit on September 02, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
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Post by: mike the bike on September 02, 2017, 05:29:39 PM
Post by: hairygit on September 02, 2017, 05:31:05 PM
The swingarm - mounted footrests means it's an F1; the earlier model, which means it's (usually) red or blue.Or a U.S. model, for some reason they didn't get frame mounted pillion footrests even on the F2
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Post by: mike the bike on September 02, 2017, 05:43:44 PM
Post by: Wiinberg on September 02, 2017, 05:48:28 PM
The steering lock in the ignition lock usually means it was a U.S. model, but you can be sure by checking the frame/vin plate. The relays to the headlight were probably to allow the use of a higher wattage headlight bulb without putting excessive load on the existing wiring and switches.
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I've never understood the system with the frame numbers. My frame number indicates that it would be General Export, Australian, German, French, and so on.. 1051697.
Post by: Wiinberg on September 04, 2017, 08:53:03 PM
So disassembly, cleaning, measuring, order parts. And then clean the frame up, blast it and paint. Fix the wheels and front end so i'll have a rolling chassis to set aside. Going to get a new wiring loom and consoles from DSS. Was quite happy with the quality on my last bike.
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Post by: Laverda Dave on September 05, 2017, 06:20:57 PM
There's nothing like a motorcycle project to keep you busy over the winter :D.
Good idea to get into the engine first to see what needs replacing. If the engine is in reasonable condition and can be repaired the second thing I would do is to drop the chrome and zinc plating off for refinishing. Chrome plating in the UK can take an age to get done. Take lots of photos of what you are sending away though, make a list of everything, photocopy it and give one copy to the plater and keep a copy for yourself. Make sure you clean the bolts and file the burrs off.
Good luck and keep the photos coming.
Post by: Wiinberg on September 05, 2017, 09:10:06 PM
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That thing looks broken. Wonder where the other half is..
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Post by: Trigger on September 05, 2017, 09:15:15 PM
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 05, 2017, 09:19:04 PM
Post by: Rob62 on September 05, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
Post by: Wiinberg on September 05, 2017, 10:00:25 PM
Its a shame some butcher has been in there before you, stripping threads and whatever else.... hope you can sort it out. How cheap / easy are spare motors to get hold of? Might be worth investigating before spending loads on that one..... Good luck mate !
Not that easy around here. And i sleep better at night knowing what parts are in my engine :) But could see if i can find a new head in good shape. As of now, i've noticed at least 5 bolt holes with questionable threads.. Too many for my liking.
Post by: Bryanj on September 06, 2017, 08:58:53 AM
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 06, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Thats going to need the camchain horseshoe and other associated bits but the rest looks reasonable, look up timeserts and/or keenserts which are great as long as you have the metal around the hole to take them
Our old 'buddy' bikepusher has an original 'horseshoe' . Pretty rare part to find in original design and decent nick.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400F-400-Four-400-4-camchain-tensioner-horseshoe-/263182944690?hash=item3d46ed09b2:g:KAsAAOSw6NhZrcTW
Post by: Piki on September 06, 2017, 01:21:05 PM
Thats going to need the camchain horseshoe and other associated bits but the rest looks reasonable, look up timeserts and/or keenserts which are great as long as you have the metal around the hole to take them
Our old 'buddy' bikepusher has an original 'horseshoe' . Pretty rare part to find in original design and decent nick.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400F-400-Four-400-4-camchain-tensioner-horseshoe-/263182944690?hash=item3d46ed09b2:g:KAsAAOSw6NhZrcTW
And this guy has it:
http://www.ttr400.com/images/rsc-09.jpg
http://www.ttr400.com/
Post by: Bryanj on September 07, 2017, 07:28:58 AM
Post by: royhall on September 07, 2017, 08:02:22 AM
Bikepusher trying it on again, how can he call it new-other when its a used part?He gets away with it because eBay allow him to. Have just tried to report the listing to eBay and no pull down menu is available to describe this violation nor any way to write my own. Therefore eBay must agree with this sort of practice. Nice one eBay!!
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 07, 2017, 08:21:15 AM
BTW he describes this listing as having 'one of those horrible' filler caps ... like the one I sold to a Japanese guy for 100 quid!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB400F-400-Four-400-4-fuel-tank-solid-original-small-dent-/263182928166?hash=item3d46ecc926:g:KUoAAOSwM6NZqtHF
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 07, 2017, 10:17:13 AM
I kicked him out because he refused to change his behaviour and stated that he didn't need a "low traffic site like this" :(
Low traffic maybe, but what the marketing world would call "a goldmine of interested parties" :)
Post by: hairygit on September 07, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
An "almost fair" review Ash.Didn't know you'd kicked him out Steve, thought he'd left in a strop after good old Bitsa gave him both barrels!
I kicked him out because he refused to change his behaviour and stated that he didn't need a "low traffic site like this" :(
Low traffic maybe, but what the marketing world would call "a goldmine of interested parties" :)
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Post by: mike the bike on September 07, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
Post by: SteveD CB500K0 on September 07, 2017, 11:56:49 AM
This forum is publicly readable though, you don't need to register to read the posts...
Post by: Wiinberg on September 09, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
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Post by: Bryanj on September 09, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
Where did stud shear? careful drill out or spark erosion for removal
Post by: Wiinberg on September 09, 2017, 09:23:41 PM
Post by: Bryanj on September 09, 2017, 09:32:18 PM