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Title: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on December 22, 2022, 03:39:22 PM
Hello everyone,

I've not yet finished my current CB550 K1 project, but already thinking about my next one. The current bike hasn't been restored to original as I wanted to learn a few new skills, but for my next project I want to do a restoration to original (or close as possible).

I've found the CB550 to have a limitations with available parts, nothing major but I've learnt to carefully plan and research what parts are still available. Ideally, I would like to start with a bike that is actually running and with not so much rust and unknown history as was the case with my current bike, which meant I had to replace so much.

Any recommendations on which CB Four would be a good basis a full restoration project?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on December 22, 2022, 05:45:44 PM
400, 500 or 750.

400 can be a little small if you're of a big build but parts are easier to get than any other model.

500, same as the 550 but easier to get parts for, exhausts for instance are available whereas the 550F ones aren't. Not many models of them so easy to work out what's correct for the model.

750, reasonably easy to get parts for, Yamiya do quite a few parts. However the differences between each model can get a little confusing for an original restoration, the early ones are more valuable but then your initial price goes up as well.

I'd ride the 550 and see if it suits you, if the power is ok then maybe think of a 500, if you think smaller and buzzier is ok go for 400, if you want bigger and slightly more powerful go for 750 but be aware they don't handle as well due to the extra weight.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on December 23, 2022, 09:28:51 AM
400, 500 or 750.

400 can be a little small if you're of a big build but parts are easier to get than any other model.

500, same as the 550 but easier to get parts for, exhausts for instance are available whereas the 550F ones aren't. Not many models of them so easy to work out what's correct for the model.

750, reasonably easy to get parts for, Yamiya do quite a few parts. However the differences between each model can get a little confusing for an original restoration, the early ones are more valuable but then your initial price goes up as well.

I'd ride the 550 and see if it suits you, if the power is ok then maybe think of a 500, if you think smaller and buzzier is ok go for 400, if you want bigger and slightly more powerful go for 750 but be aware they don't handle as well due to the extra weight.

I'm definitely not as slim as I was in my 20s, so a little extra power wouldn't hurt. Having said that, I'd be quite happy with a 400/500 as I also can't ride like I am in my 20s.

I'll keep an eye out for suitable 400/500s. Is there any benefit from getting a UK model over a US import?

Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 23, 2022, 10:44:00 AM
FWIW USA & UK models are all made in Japan so truth is they are all imports from Japan.

I have a 400 that I restored recently & as I'm 6' 1" tall I found the 400 too small the 500 & 550 are a slightly different riding position so I found the 500 easier on my hips.

Parts easier to source on the 400 so imho cheaper to restore.

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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on December 23, 2022, 11:44:18 AM
Agree with Ted. All the machines are Japanese exports and find their way to owners via many and varied routes. I’ve always maintained that the UK vs Rest of World to be irrational nonsense. UK more highly prized…why?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on December 23, 2022, 11:46:28 AM
Actually, stow that last comment. Keep promoting UK models and leave the cheaper, better value and often less corroded USA models for us unappreciative types.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on December 23, 2022, 11:50:06 AM
If a bike comes from a US desert it's likely to be less corroded.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Rozabikes Tim on December 23, 2022, 12:11:08 PM
Agree with Ted. All the machines are Japanese exports and find their way to owners via many and varied routes. I’ve always maintained that the UK vs Rest of World to be irrational nonsense. UK more highly prized…why?

Light blue touch paper and stand back.... :P
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on December 23, 2022, 12:15:41 PM
No benefit at all just make sure all the import paperwork is there if its an import
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on December 23, 2022, 01:27:14 PM
Agree with Ted. All the machines are Japanese exports and find their way to owners via many and varied routes. I’ve always maintained that the UK vs Rest of World to be irrational nonsense. UK more highly prized…why?

Light blue touch paper and stand back.... :P

You’re onto me….no takers yet though😁
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on December 23, 2022, 04:00:35 PM
Agree with Ted. All the machines are Japanese exports and find their way to owners via many and varied routes. I’ve always maintained that the UK vs Rest of World to be irrational nonsense. UK more highly prized…why?

Light blue touch paper and stand back.... :P

You’re onto me….no takers yet though😁

Nope, not biting ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on December 23, 2022, 04:06:15 PM
You can always tell a US bike, seat foam is completely crushed.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: taysidedragon on December 23, 2022, 04:09:33 PM
Juitz, if you go for a 400f import  just be aware that Japanese home market bikes are 398cc not 408cc like the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: taysidedragon on December 23, 2022, 04:10:23 PM
You can always tell a US bike, seat foam is completely crushed.

🤣🤣
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: andy120t on December 23, 2022, 05:01:14 PM
Don't forget the 350/4 as well.  Another option, not heavy, look great with four pipes. As they aren't so common it might be harder to find one and potentially trickier to source some parts of any are missing.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on December 23, 2022, 05:49:14 PM
Juitz, if you go for a 400f import  just be aware that Japanese home market bikes are 398cc not 408cc like the rest of the world.
French Market models were also 398cc.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Orcade-Ian on December 23, 2022, 06:10:51 PM
French market - yuk!  If they won't buy our lamb, then I'm not buying their letters!
One of my 400 fours was an American import and definitely 408cc but the good old DVLA local office in Preston put it down as 398, even though I showed the inspector the cast in number on the barrels!  A few letters to DVLA got me nowhere, so I just carried on paying the reduce VED  :) until it became Historic.

Ian



Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on December 23, 2022, 08:18:05 PM
You can always tell a US bike, seat foam is completely crushed.

😁😁😁
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on March 30, 2023, 10:45:57 PM
Well, I'm leaning towards a 500/550 or 750 at the moment and am starting to look more seriously for a bike to purchase. What other places are good to look for a bike aside from eBay?

Also struggling for choice!
K or F?
Desirable model years or particular ones to avoid?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on March 30, 2023, 10:49:56 PM
Get a Kawasaki.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on March 30, 2023, 11:27:20 PM
I'm biased and would always suggest the 500-4, beats the 750 for handling easily. The 550 has some refinements but doesn't have the same character IMO, it's the 4 into 4 pipes that just do it. I wouldn't suggest the 550K3, arbs are a problem and the 4 into 4 just didn't look right, the 550F is a nice bike but standard exhausts are almost impossible to source these days. If you can find a 550K1 or K2 I'd say that's the best of both bikes. Import only though as they never came to the UK.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on March 31, 2023, 06:24:12 AM
I’m with Ken on this one. Try to find the best, latest,  most complete K1 or K2. Same applies to the F1 or F2. I have my own views on the 750, but I’ll keep them to myself. Personally I favour the F2, mainly because it’s the last of the line and in my opinion the best of the marque. Not the prettiest though…..
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on March 31, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Thanks guys - I think your comments affirm what I had in the back of my head.
The current project is a modified 550k1, so I did have it in the back of my head to buy another one and restore it to original (or as close).
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on March 31, 2023, 07:03:22 AM
I’m with Ken on this one. Try to find the best, latest,  most complete K1 or K2. Same applies to the F1 or F2. I have my own views on the 750, but I’ll keep them to myself. Personally I favour the F2, mainly because it’s the last of the line and in my opinion the best of the marque. Not the prettiest though…..

750F2 or 550F2?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on April 01, 2023, 08:32:51 AM
A question on originality.

I really like the k0 paint scheme in orange (and I'm long time Philadelphia Flyers fan) and prefer it to the k1 scheme.
Would it be a big no-no if a k1 was re-painted with the k0 scheme?

http://www.sohc4.com/bikes/cb550/

Or should the bike be painted in the original factory colour. I want to get to as close to original look, but will make concessions on like for like replica aftermarket parts, otherwise it will cost a fortune. And I don't intend on selling it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Toko_Jo on April 01, 2023, 08:48:12 AM
Kawasaki Z650B1
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 01, 2023, 09:12:31 AM
I had a totally weird situation last night where I dreamt vividly about tearing around on a Kawasaki KE125 (green) looked on eBay this morning and there is one green KE125 for sale! Is that some sort of calling?
I’ve never owned a Kawasaki or have ever had any intentions or ambitions of owning one!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: K2-K6 on April 01, 2023, 09:35:11 AM
I had a totally weird situation last night where I dreamt vividly about tearing around on a Kawasaki KE125 (green) looked on eBay this morning and there is one green KE125 for sale! Is that some sort of calling?
I’ve never owned a Kawasaki or have ever had any intentions or ambitions of owning one!

You'll definitely have to buy it now  ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Sesman on April 01, 2023, 09:51:57 AM
Z650B1. I reckon that’s a good choice 👍. I know, I know, it’s not a Honda….
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: bruxby-clive on April 01, 2023, 02:26:16 PM
 I have had a couple of Z650's and have got another which I just need to register with the DVLA (American Import). They really are a great bike, I would have no hesitation in recommending one. Tin hat on for the abuse in it not being a Honda. :) :)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: andy120t on April 01, 2023, 04:56:49 PM
I have two Kawasaki's! An old ZX6r and an older ZR550. They are fab ... and the 600 is very green - it also has a pair of boxes named 'resonators'  just behind the air intakes. As far as I can tell, their only purpose is to make an amazing induction noise as the air comes in - at low revs it sounds a lot like a bag of gravel being rattled around in a bucket, then once I speed it it just starts to scream. Awesome bike!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on April 02, 2023, 09:34:42 AM
The zx6r g1 was my first >250cc non-learner bike. I loved it.
Had it in black/gold/purple though. It's on my list of bikes that I would like to have again, along with the Yamaha fzr250 3ln. Now that's a bike that screams!



Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 03, 2023, 05:54:12 PM
The CBR 250 with the gull arm on it red line's at 19,000.........that's just into the red too. Absolute riot to ride 8)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on April 03, 2023, 08:29:06 PM
The CBR 250 with the gull arm on it red line's at 19,000.........that's just into the red too. Absolute riot to ride 8)

That is a lovely bike - couldn't afford it though which is why I ended up with the fizzer which had an almost equally absurd 18ki-ish rpm redline.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 04, 2023, 10:04:36 AM
hooray ;D ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: paul G on April 04, 2023, 10:23:34 AM
I have had a couple of Z650's and have got another which I just need to register with the DVLA (American Import). They really are a great bike, I would have no hesitation in recommending one. Tin hat on for the abuse in it not being a Honda. :) :)

Same here I love my C2 and a dam site easier to lug around the garage than the K1 (got my tin hat on as well)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 04, 2023, 11:08:19 AM
That's a looker, great bike.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on April 04, 2023, 04:41:10 PM
Get a series landrover and see how much you can throw into that!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 04, 2023, 06:53:15 PM
But don’t if you don’t want to go bankrupt


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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 04, 2023, 11:15:42 PM
That’s a lovely looking kwak’ there Paul.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on April 14, 2023, 06:03:14 AM
Got my eye on a couple of potential project bikes on eBay.

One of the cb500 has a saddle type seat (not sure what it's actually called) but not to my taste. I assume there's no issue sticking a standard seat without mods?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 20, 2023, 04:26:54 PM
They're called 'king and queen seats' but when you read that just say 'shite' out loud. You should be able to bob a standard seat on that no problems providing the catch etc hasn't been knackered fitting that eye sore?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on April 20, 2023, 04:31:09 PM
The King and Queen seats (read Shite) were just bolt on add ons back in the day, they didn't require any mods to the existing systems as far as I know.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 20, 2023, 04:37:48 PM
And they are too!


Bit like the obsession of stupid handlebars to make the bikes handle badly.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Johnny4428 on April 20, 2023, 06:07:21 PM
Had one on the 750 when it came from the states. Horrible carbuncle of a thing. I’m sure it was leather. Probably an expensive item in its day. I was that convinced there would not be anybody wanting to buy it in this country I fired it in the skip at our local recycling centre. 😆😆
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on April 20, 2023, 11:57:04 PM
Had one on the 750 when it came from the states. Horrible carbuncle of a thing. I’m sure it was leather. Probably an expensive item in its day. I was that convinced there would not be anybody wanting to buy it in this country I fired it in the skip at our local recycling centre. 😆😆

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on April 22, 2023, 06:47:04 PM
They're called 'king and queen seats' but when you read that just say 'shite' out loud. You should be able to bob a standard seat on that no problems providing the catch etc hasn't been knackered fitting that eye sore?

Cheers all. My finger is creeping closer to the Buy button. Im being superficial but in my opinion, the 500s are nicer to look at.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on May 30, 2023, 10:12:15 AM
Are these cb450s good resto projects?

I'm kinda leaning to cb550 or cb750 but not sure on the
Honda twins?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334888914954?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=8O8R5KZARse&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=eMi7QkCfTHq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverda Dave on May 30, 2023, 12:10:18 PM
That starter motor works, that's a good thing on on of these.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on May 30, 2023, 03:02:40 PM
450 is always classic but i think parts are getting more difficult and expensive. 500/550 still has some difficult parts but there are still most out there though a lot in US(same as 450)
PM Ash about 450 i think he has more idea
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on July 03, 2023, 06:51:17 PM
Does this seem to good?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195847267426?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=9MDf4RlLR_W&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=eMi7QkCfTHq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 03, 2023, 08:04:59 PM
I've spoken to the seller, it is not all as it appears.
It's cheap bike but that's for a reason.
Edit..... Obviously give the chap a call and talk to him. The owner didn't even know his son has listed it for sale 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on July 03, 2023, 08:34:07 PM
Yeah cheers Julie.

I'm looking for a fixer upper and this one seemed a bit too finished but did question the price Vs "fully restored"

I've contacted the seller to get a fuller picture.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 03, 2023, 08:41:01 PM
A nice looking bike in the photo,  that is far too cheap so there must be a catch or a con  somewhere - no one gives stuff away these days.
Somehow it looks too good to be true ?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: davidcumbria on July 03, 2023, 08:59:55 PM
why is it listed in the bar grip section  not motorcycles for sale ? I would be very careful with this.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 03, 2023, 10:27:34 PM
Why is the contact number listed as a photo ?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: philward on July 03, 2023, 11:08:09 PM
May be that if you put a telephone number in the text body, eBay removes it (I think) - its a way round that maybe
Still something not right about the listing though
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on July 03, 2023, 11:14:47 PM
A nice looking bike in the photo,  that is far too cheap so there must be a catch or a con  somewhere - no one gives stuff away these days.
Somehow it looks too good to be true ?

Yeah my thought as well as priced very low.

Account has 100% feedback from 700ish transactions, but something doesn't feel right.

Seller responded and said no issues on bike and runs. Even offered a viewing to check the bike.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: MCTID on July 04, 2023, 11:04:14 AM
E Bay are simply paranoid about Sellers showing contact details in their adverts......they think that it will potentially cut E Bay out of future sales ! That's why Private Sellers show their phone number in a photo. Strangely, Dealers clearly show their contact details - showing that E Bay obviously suffers from 'Elbow and arse disease !

Continual 'breaking' of their rules can lead to Sellers being barred from E Bay in the future, but if you are an infrequent Seller this probably won't bother you.

I have just bought some Furniture on E Bay and the amount of 'faffing about' was a real pain as I'm using a Courier to collect......all Couriers want/ need an E Mail address - so they can send advance warning about the collection AND the delivery dates, and they need a Mobile number so they can send advance warnings about the time slot they propose for collection and delivery. Having to send numerous messages on E Bay to the Seller to ascertain this info and 'skirting round the E Bay rules' is just a PITA and probably one of the biggest self inflicted examples of an organisation pis*ing off it's Customers !

I have 'reluctantly' just posted a couple of bike parts for sale on E Bay........just waiting now to get a raft of 'stoopid' questions from the people who can't read, can't work simple things out for themselves, and can't be ar*ed to read the advert properly. Thankfully, most decent E Bayers don't fall into these categories - and they make up for those who do.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on July 04, 2023, 11:57:22 AM
0I generally message the buyer/seller and 7explain that on the start of every line in the 8message there will be a number. All the 4numbers put together in a line will equate 3to my phone number, eBay don’t seem to

5 have cottoned on to that snide yet.

Written as above.

The eBay computer can’t fathom it and means you can get your number over with minimum fuss and no telling off


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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on July 04, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
That’s not the start to my number obvs, example only


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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Matt_Harrington on July 04, 2023, 12:22:45 PM
If you sell a bike on ebay in the motorcycle section, the fee is fixed (I think it is £35) and you can send email addresses and phone numbers prior to sale. ( The listing fee is paid whether sold or not just like any mag/paper) If however, you list a bike in the spares area you can't swap info AND you will be shafted for their commission ) approx 12% to a maximum of £250 (I think). Unless the seller have an '80% off fees' offer (Which I often do)Then the fees are minimal.
Once sold you should be able to swap numbers and emails at will.
C'mon Julie, what is the issue with the bike  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on July 04, 2023, 12:57:56 PM
I haven't seen the bike up close and personal, it's an issue with the discription and the seller.

The ad says its been fully restored, it hasn't, the chap told me he had a head gasket replaced and the clutch replaced and the frame has been powder coated, but he can't remember when. He can't remember how long he's owned it, he doesn't know if it has a V5. He didnt know his son had advertised it on ebay. He thinks it been off road for 20 years but it hasn't been taxed since 1985, then he said he rode it up the drive about 4 years ago.
It says 100% positive feedback but there are 2 negative feedbacks if you look through the list.
It's got the wrong seat on it for starters😁.
It all just doesn't stack up, it's all very iffy. If it had been as described in the ad, I would have bought it by now and so would a few other people I know.
Someone may go and buy it and it could be a wonderfully cheap purchase but, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 04, 2023, 01:00:29 PM
I asked the seller why it was so cheap - reply was personal reasons.
It did make me wonder if they were the actual owners.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on July 06, 2023, 12:55:43 AM
I asked when the bike had been restored - 20yrs in dry storage or not, I would change every seal, rubber and bearing.
I also asked for a few up close pics of the exhaust and engine. Nada.

As stated here, too good to be true and iffy. Im moving on.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Matt_Harrington on July 06, 2023, 09:21:06 AM
Thats the old test - extra photos - wise to move on.
I was interested in an old Triumph Rigid frame bike a few years back. Up one popped on ebay and all seemed OK until I wanted some extra pictures and got no further info.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on July 06, 2023, 10:11:31 AM
I asked if the seller was the registered keeper on the V5 and was the item available to view at that address - no reply in last  2 days.

Although the seller feedback looks ok the user name rings a very distant bell for previous under priced motor cycles.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on July 08, 2023, 05:17:56 PM
General question - aside from eBay what are other places to look for Honda Fours (500/550). Facebook marketplace search engine sucks and it's pretty much the same stuff that's on eBay.

Autotrader doesn't have anything.

Any other places to search?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on July 08, 2023, 06:00:47 PM
DK and Freddy
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on August 26, 2023, 04:35:17 PM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295893266032?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=h6F6iVcZRzq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=eMi7QkCfTHq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Bike is obviously in really bad condition. This feels like far to much work? What's the risk factor with parts considering state?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on August 26, 2023, 04:42:30 PM
Most parts are available for the 400/4 and that will need most parts replacing. It doesn't look like there are many parts, if any that are good enough to refurbish. I can't even see it being a good investment as a breaker at the current price.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Matt_Harrington on August 26, 2023, 04:44:27 PM
Sheesh, that is in a very poor state. By the time you have replaced parts, spent time on it etc etc, it would have been cheaper to buy a restored machine. Keep your eye on auction houses as sometimes, bargains can be had.....
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on August 26, 2023, 04:51:47 PM
The more I look at that bike, the more I'm amazed at the current bid of £666, I can't see it being worth anywhere near that, if anything at all. It's a scrapper.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on August 26, 2023, 05:05:53 PM
Yeah thanks all, what I thought.

I'm all up for a challenge so don't mind a bike in a bad state, but this one did look far too gone.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Matt_Harrington on August 26, 2023, 05:08:51 PM
This could be a good starting point (maybe). Nothing to do with me and I know nothing about it....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285399209781?hash=item42731e5735:g:8JsAAOSwvBdkqBYP&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwD8psqUq8mLo8sx7jpU7twePNdCiSOhn4rFmr3k7Ud0i6GbGguhuth0vpH%2BP8d7YLU8yLjAu2TO4t9mGQwExsuVwyiK2kBXXtF8YAPB4P45eusdojkoCXaPVtX7miNy0F1ifN9PML0MgGMhwk%2Bt9GMKnUSa7urQEXrJKDyEeTGlAwSJ8eByA3hr7QHyDlf5qDPjuKe0yFFxJ7Vd9W5myUJsFHFU%2Bp2bbmJeCBnddxxuikjX6Swe7WljXBoyaSXzCUg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jDuanGYg (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285399209781?hash=item42731e5735:g:8JsAAOSwvBdkqBYP&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwD8psqUq8mLo8sx7jpU7twePNdCiSOhn4rFmr3k7Ud0i6GbGguhuth0vpH%2BP8d7YLU8yLjAu2TO4t9mGQwExsuVwyiK2kBXXtF8YAPB4P45eusdojkoCXaPVtX7miNy0F1ifN9PML0MgGMhwk%2Bt9GMKnUSa7urQEXrJKDyEeTGlAwSJ8eByA3hr7QHyDlf5qDPjuKe0yFFxJ7Vd9W5myUJsFHFU%2Bp2bbmJeCBnddxxuikjX6Swe7WljXBoyaSXzCUg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jDuanGYg)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on August 26, 2023, 05:17:38 PM
This could be a good starting point (maybe). Nothing to do with me and I know nothing about it....

Cheers Matt, have seen this one but assume mismatch in frame and engine years will be issue with overall end "value"?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on August 26, 2023, 05:26:08 PM
My nephew just reminded me there is a 550 that has been sat in his orchard for at least 10 years, you can have that cheap, but its probably a lazarus 2 project.
Oh and its only just north of gloucester
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Nurse Julie on August 26, 2023, 06:07:17 PM
This could be a good starting point (maybe). Nothing to do with me and I know nothing about it....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285399209781?hash=item42731e5735:g:8JsAAOSwvBdkqBYP&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwD8psqUq8mLo8sx7jpU7twePNdCiSOhn4rFmr3k7Ud0i6GbGguhuth0vpH%2BP8d7YLU8yLjAu2TO4t9mGQwExsuVwyiK2kBXXtF8YAPB4P45eusdojkoCXaPVtX7miNy0F1ifN9PML0MgGMhwk%2Bt9GMKnUSa7urQEXrJKDyEeTGlAwSJ8eByA3hr7QHyDlf5qDPjuKe0yFFxJ7Vd9W5myUJsFHFU%2Bp2bbmJeCBnddxxuikjX6Swe7WljXBoyaSXzCUg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jDuanGYg (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285399209781?hash=item42731e5735:g:8JsAAOSwvBdkqBYP&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwD8psqUq8mLo8sx7jpU7twePNdCiSOhn4rFmr3k7Ud0i6GbGguhuth0vpH%2BP8d7YLU8yLjAu2TO4t9mGQwExsuVwyiK2kBXXtF8YAPB4P45eusdojkoCXaPVtX7miNy0F1ifN9PML0MgGMhwk%2Bt9GMKnUSa7urQEXrJKDyEeTGlAwSJ8eByA3hr7QHyDlf5qDPjuKe0yFFxJ7Vd9W5myUJsFHFU%2Bp2bbmJeCBnddxxuikjX6Swe7WljXBoyaSXzCUg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8jDuanGYg)
If it has a 71 frame, it should be a 500 K0 registered on a K or L reg in UK and even as an import it shouldn't look like that,(it looks like a USA back end) , 🤔. It's a bright enough bike but it all depends what you are going to do with it. If you want a bitsa, you're half way there.
Maybe ask the seller for the engine and VIN number so you can confirm exactly what's happened and what model it is meant to be.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on August 26, 2023, 07:46:52 PM
Julie is correct, i think thats mostly US 500K2

Big clocks
Rear light bracket, but early light from K1
Long front ind stems
See through master shouldnt be on there

Its areal mixture of parts but its still a complete bike
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 26, 2023, 10:28:24 PM
How about financial suicide Dave?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225742429504?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=bvchVocLSY6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=uBNVIRM1Sxq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=WHATS_APP


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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on August 26, 2023, 11:19:37 PM
That looks suspiciously  like the next  project for Gary. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on August 27, 2023, 07:01:12 AM
Julie is correct, i think thats mostly US 500K2

Big clocks
Rear light bracket, but early light from K1
Long front ind stems
See through master shouldnt be on there

Its areal mixture of parts but its still a complete bike

But why is it fitted with the air filter snorkel that generally only appeared on the European bikes? The USA version never got that feature, I suspect it’s a German K1 with some K2 parts on it, mainly the front end.

Anyone notice the rubbers lying on the frame so that DS seat fits without rocking? That’s pretty bad.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on August 27, 2023, 07:02:25 AM
How about financial suicide Dave?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225742429504?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=bvchVocLSY6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=uBNVIRM1Sxq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=WHATS_APP


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Why does there appear to be a camshaft out of a twin cylinder in that cardboard divider box?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on August 27, 2023, 07:18:08 AM
I thought that odd, could it be kickstart shaft? And a fair bit of frame has been hacked off the back top and bottom
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Oddjob on August 27, 2023, 10:06:06 AM
You can clearly see the cam lobes and a worm drive on the end for timing purposes? Looks like a soho bike as there look to be 4 lobes.

Plus in the box near it are some rocker arms and they ain’t 550 arms.

The rocker cover isn’t 550 either, no pegs for the rocker shafts, looks to be a 500 one. Hard to tell what’s missing as a lot is hiding in bags etc
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Matt_Harrington on August 27, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
All I can add is NEVER buy a bike in boxes to restore unless you know the the seller / bike. I did this years ago and found out (to the detriment of my wallet) how hard it was to rebuild.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on August 27, 2023, 06:03:14 PM
All I can add is NEVER buy a bike in boxes to restore unless you know the the seller / bike. I did this years ago and found out (to the detriment of my wallet) how hard it was to rebuild.

Yeah agree. With a built bike even in poor condition at least I can take good note of what needs to be done during the tear down.

I'm looking for a project bike I can rebuild to original state.that I intend to keep. Some stuff will inevitably have to be reproduction, etc.

Im a bit wary of the amount money I'll have to spend on replacement parts, especially the exhaust if needed so do want a balance of money invested Vs finished value.  I.e. don't want to spend twice the money the bike will be worth (already did that on the last build 😜) and I'm chalking that one up to learning experience.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Trigger on August 27, 2023, 06:36:13 PM
Any 50 year old bike you will spend £££ on it. You will find it hard to get one that doesn't need engine work and a load of other parts. I try to buy a bike as cheap as possible with all the hard to find original parts as, i know it will need 4 to 6 grand spending on it, to get it to a very good original state  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: philward on August 27, 2023, 07:10:59 PM
I agree, it's all those little brackets, linkages, etc that are so hard to find. Chose a bike that's ALL there in my opinion

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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: gary123 on August 27, 2023, 07:18:45 PM
That looks suspiciously  like the next  project for Gary. ;) ;) ;)


I like a challenge, but that could be a step to far. Gotta be worth £500 though even just for parts.
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverda Dave on August 28, 2023, 11:07:31 AM
All I can add is NEVER buy a bike in boxes to restore unless you know the the seller / bike. I did this years ago and found out (to the detriment of my wallet) how hard it was to rebuild.

I would never buy a bike in boxes.............. :-[ :-[ :-[ ::) :o
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 28, 2023, 11:28:52 AM

Love it Dave



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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: 3scs on August 28, 2023, 11:52:33 AM
All I can add is NEVER buy a bike in boxes to restore unless you know the the seller / bike. I did this years ago and found out (to the detriment of my wallet) how hard it was to rebuild.

I would never buy a bike in boxes.............. :-[ :-[ :-[ ::) :o
that makes two of us then 😁
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 28, 2023, 12:13:19 PM
Ooo, what dat?


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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Bryanj on August 28, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
Its not in box, just a boot!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: 3scs on August 28, 2023, 01:50:45 PM
Its not in box, just a boot!
get off in a technicality then thank god for that 🤣
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: 3scs on August 28, 2023, 01:52:56 PM
Ooo, what dat?


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it’s that K3 we’re keeping quiet about 🤫
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: mickwinf on August 28, 2023, 04:57:05 PM
do I recognise that pile of scrap, I mean desirable project!
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Laverdaroo on August 28, 2023, 05:08:18 PM
I won’t tell anybody, promise


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Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Trigger on August 28, 2023, 06:21:14 PM
Ooo, what dat?


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it’s that K3 we’re keeping quiet about 🤫

I have seen half that engine somewhere before  ::) why do you have a CB750K centre stand ?
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: 3scs on August 28, 2023, 06:41:13 PM
do I recognise that pile of scrap, I mean desirable project!
you should do I think that is your boot it is in 🤣
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: Trigger on August 28, 2023, 06:49:40 PM
Ooo, what dat?


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it’s that K3 we’re keeping quiet about 🤫


And what does it look like now  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: 3scs on August 28, 2023, 06:53:55 PM
Ooo, what dat?


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And what does it look like now  ;)
it’s coming on steady it’s my retirement project 😊
Title: Re: Suggestions for Next Project
Post by: juitz on October 28, 2023, 07:50:28 AM
I have a bunch of 75k1 parts left over from my first build.

Fenders, turn signals, seat pan, gauges, etc

What are the major differences between the 74 and 75 US models where I wouldn't be able to replacw parts of needed for a resto?
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