Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - K2-K6

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 357
16
CB750 / Re: Intermittent noise when riding, could it be my chain?
« on: July 17, 2024, 08:18:54 PM »
Fairly normal to have those mark in the rubber, as you note, it's there to stop it rattling on the aluminium.

A thought though. Have you checked chain slack at multiple points ? If its uneven (sometimes when contemporary you'd get a chain that was significantly different in dimension along different parts) to make it flap up and down, hitting the guard variously.

Worthwhile checking to see if there's any inconsistency present.

17
CB500/550 / Re: Pistons
« on: July 16, 2024, 09:12:44 AM »
Obviously no options with std piston to change compression specifications.

It is though a consideration, in that a camshaft with extended overlap /duration will lower the effective compression ratio, all things being equal.

The geometric ratio of combustion chamber volume to swept volume remains the same, but with valve opening moved then the active ratio will usually be reduced (assuming longer opening etc) which will reduce the torque at lower rpm.

The changes effectively push the torque peak upward to occur a raised rpm point but looses combustion effectiveness at the lower speeds.
It gives something of a " false" gain, in that the brake horse power is a calculation involving rpm as a factor in projecting work rate.

Net effect is that you have to rev it to get to torque peak by using lowered gearing, seems more dramatic peak as the reduced torque in low rpm range has greater contrast to the high rev performance.

Itll be faster by the effect of fitting in more power stroke to a measured distance that before (lower gearing, higher revs) but at the same low range rpm it will be correspondingly slower from less real torque. In other words, you've always got to ride it at revs to see an increase in power.

Lifting the static compression ratio is a way of compensation to avoid some of this.

You'd probably need a dry build though to assess piston clearance to head and that to valves at the cam duration specification used.

18
Project Board / Re: Doms CB550F1 project
« on: July 15, 2024, 01:32:30 PM »
The absolute airscrew setting has always been part of adjustment scheme in reality, rather than solid set and forget.

With variation likely on component now in comparison to production line original, then highly likely that set point is going to be different.

Bore of jet, bleed holes, airflow passages, air filter performance, piston ring sealing, fuel burn characteristic, ethanol inclusion (contains oxygen over and above no e types) will all contribute to a setting that may be different to "book" value originally given.

The cleaning  of the jets and air passages are also a scource of variance too.

Establishment of a set for what you've now got in place should effectively accommodate these.

Fuel injection system do exactly this now, with more or less the same methodology as Honda originally published in their manuals, just automatic in itself via ecu programming, built in sensors etc.

Like these carbs though, if the sensible adjustment fails to yeald a competent combustion before reaching the end of logical steps available, then it'll usually throw emissions/check engine code and warning to request further work in establishing what is the real cause of going out of range.


19
Project Board / Re: Doms CB550F1 project
« on: July 15, 2024, 11:35:10 AM »
Yes, Nigel is correct.

Probably worthwhile looking through them again. Youjust gain more experience in doing this, a very pedantic/ critical eye in evaluation of them will often turn up something that may be causing an issue.

They are just plain fiddly to get right if there's any impairment etc, that's carburettor in general, even for experienced practitioners of the art. Can go round and round until finally sorting them. A friend runs a garden machinery business and hates the run around that inevitably comes with sorting out simple problems.

The bench sync is absolutely fine to run the engine without problem from tbat aspect. It has the major advantage of knowing they are mechanically in synchronization and helps in diagnosis of other faults if you don't try and sync them after installation.

The carb rack should allow for adjustment of the major rpm stop screw to fully lower the slides after setting them (if you use the drill method on here) which ensures that the slides have the capability of full restriction once set to parity.

You can then connect them to cables, without installing on engine, to ensure the cables definitely don't conflict with that function.  Emphattge slides should sit at rest on that master tickover screw stop, and nothing else should impede that operation.

Adjustment of the airscrew idle function when running is then where the attention should be. The suggested opening point 1 1/2etc should be seen as competent start point, from which you need to test what exactly is needed.  That method is in the Honda manual officially to instruct you.

Effectively, it gets you to adjust leaner until that cylinder falters, this  is the air fuel mixture just going past its technical ideal of 14.7 to one ratio. Thats pertinent to the hardware in place AND the fuel in use at the elevation you are working.
Then it requires you to make it richer by adjustment to bring a 100 rpm drop (multimeter with frequency will register this if you've got one) to bring that carburettor and cylinder to ideal operating point.
Later Honda manual detail recording that absolute setting in service notes as baseline for the operation. It can be different for each of the for cylinders. If you don't get something competently in range at that point, this suggests something else maybe wrong, or some impairment is still there withing that idle circuit.


20
Out & About / Re: NY500 cafe Pickering
« on: July 15, 2024, 08:46:17 AM »
Sounds like a good ride out destination up there too.

21
Out & About / Re: NY500 cafe Pickering
« on: July 15, 2024, 08:23:50 AM »
Yes to special, in tbat they were homologation issue often. Production based race series dictated limited modifications to factory production line vehicles and usually a minimum number available for public sale. These type of "special" vehicles were the result, with enhanced elements that would be useful to racing modifications, whether used on road vehicle or not.

Quite valuable now as they are the desirable limited run specification.  Probably in the region of £50,000 upward for one of those if genuine manufacture with traceable records etc.

13" wheels do look quite small now against general modern stuff. F1 was still on 13" until 2021 though, with small rim and big tire being considerably lighter than the current 18" they've moved to.

22
Project Board / Re: Mike's CB550 Project
« on: July 14, 2024, 10:47:25 PM »
Superficially looks like aluminium "powder" from either machining or wearing.

It usually has a grey type look about it.

Maybe worthwhile draining and cleaning mastercylinder, then refit and try again to assess from there.

To quantify wear, working on many cycle hydraulic brakes, it's something that shows in system with both aluminium bore and aluminium piston together, also when you use abrasives on aluminium it first gets grey, then black-er as it removes material.  Unlikely but possible from initial movement.

Cleaned out and with refill, at least you can see if it develops again in fairly short order.


23
CB350/400 / Re: Adjusting tappets
« on: July 14, 2024, 07:45:00 PM »
I've watched that one recently, interesting outcome and he's quite "investigative" showing his steps etc throughout. Could be skew on cam grind or some rock in rocker arm, or previous wear to give some taper in follower pad. Probably worthwhile using engineers blue to asses wear pattern in those cases. Some camshaft have the lobe peak deliberately ground "skew" to rotate the follower/bucket in distribution of wear pattern between the component.

Have to fast forward through some waffle, he does say that to himself as criticism some times "stop waffling Jim" but leaves you to zip through them yourself to things you find important.

Recently watched a plug re thread in situ as he approaches it differently to other, more common suggestions. Worthwhile watching that one too if you're contemplating the same.

24
CB350/400 / Re: Adjusting tappets
« on: July 14, 2024, 12:47:59 PM »
 ;D that was my second job as a kid, so long time practicing.

First was given a little brass brush and feeler gauges to clean and gap spark plugs when my father worked on our family car, dont remember if he actually used the plugs, or it was just to keep me quite and out of his way. Did feel quite grown up with that responsibility though  :)

Then on to tappets as I didn't mess up the plugs.

Taught me to weld at about 12 years old too, all oxy /acetylene then as well.

25
CB500/550 / Re: Started Engine strip & Rebuild
« on: July 14, 2024, 11:51:52 AM »
The missing valve spring support washer, as already noted above, won't change how far it moves but, it will decrease spring preload on the valve with the possibility of valve bounce at high rpm.

It may have been affected by that and just touched a piston, that's a possibility. Anyway, a new valve should sort it.

You can check a valve for being straight by just rolling if on stem and head periphery on a piece of glass to see of the mid part of the stem runs true.

A cooker hob, if glass, makes an easy "surface plate" to roll it across. Dont get caught by owner of surface plate though  ;D

26
CB350/400 / Re: Adjusting tappets
« on: July 14, 2024, 08:59:39 AM »
Has anyone used this tool?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203928464413

Tools like that (there's been a few design over the years) work OK but some prefer seperate. Makes it easy to hold both parts if access is restricted too.

Shouldn't be a problem,  but as with most things, comes down to personal preference in trying it out.

I find it easier to finally tighten tappets by letting the cente rotate with the securing nut for that final torque, as opposed to holding the centre absolutely still as the threads tighten on each other in conflict.
Easier to do than describe ..... but would loosely approximate to aiming for a marginally wider gap than needed, only to let that close slightly with the final tighten to then arrive at correct specification to be checked and verified without touching the locknut again.

27
Project Board / Re: Doms CB550F1 project
« on: July 14, 2024, 08:48:44 AM »
Are correct springs still available?  I'm not sure I understand everything you've said there K2-K6

Supply, as Bryan notes, can't see any springs available.

Apologies for confusion.

To clarify;- the molded springs currently fitted should have nil effect on the idle issue you are chasing. They effectively (by tightening) make the retarded position more positive which would only enhance stability and repeatability at the tickover rpm. I'd dismiss them from suspect for this cause.

Two things to check though. Is the A/R mechanical not impeded by friction itself, all appears to rotate freely if you exhamine it ? And, have you checked that the static timing is definitely at the F mark accurately to make sure its getting that aspect right ?

28
Project Board / Re: Doms CB550F1 project
« on: July 13, 2024, 04:45:24 PM »
Trying to think outside the box - could it be timing related - mechanical advance not falling back as it should?

Now you say that, I remember chatting to Ken about my trimmed advance springs.  I'd rather have standard untrimmed ones but someone in the past has cut and bent the end coil

That shouldn't, in and of itself, cause problem with tickover. It would make the "closed" position more assured to enhance stability at idle by not fluctuating at those low rpm.

Worthwhile double checking your static timing point against the F mark tough, as anything in advance (firing too early) would go to making it more difficult in settling back to consistent idle rpm.

I dont agree with shortened springs though, certainly without then getting quantification of how the advance curve plays out. Arriving too late will at the needed advance specification will reduce low rpm torque output. You'd need to accurately measure at what point in rpm range it reaches full status.
But, as noted though, that's an issue as you're asking for power and not lowest rpm stability.

29
CB750 / Re: Cb750k timing marks
« on: July 11, 2024, 01:38:19 PM »
Shortening springs is not to delay curve but to stop erratic advance at tickover, or at least thats the way i see it

Yes, I can see why they've tried to correct if it's obviously slack or showing advance down below about 1500 rpm but not considering it'll increase the spring rate, which will have more influence on delaying the onset of advance.

30
CB750 / Re: Cb750k timing marks
« on: July 11, 2024, 12:18:40 PM »
Martin6, yes agree the full advance position is more important in reality.

Essentially controlling fuel burn at maximum duress and load is much more important than idle control.

Retarded position is just to facilitate easy starting and tickover speed control by retracted timing for convenience really.

Can't really see a problem with early advanced curve though, assuming no pinking, as it will improve engine torque generally if you can get it advanced as soon as possible.

I dont know why there's advice floating around to delay the advance curve by shorter springs, seems undesirable to me. Competent control of retard to ensure even tickover, yes. But other than that there's no reason to restrain in reality.

Ideally, whichever method of initial setup, then maximum advance should be checked and verified as correct as good general practice.

Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 357
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal