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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: paul G on September 19, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390930507587?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
The last one went for over £60, I picked one of these up for £17 a few months ago.
The one above actually looks like it has a dent in it mental.
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Reckon DSS will repro them pretty soon. They are dead easy to repro, especially the metal bit by laser cutting . Could easily do it myself if I could be bothered. It was the same with grab rails years ago until Honda reproduced them again.
Cheers .. Ash
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Aye carrumba... It even looks rather "shabby"....
The awful realisation is that my SOHCs are worth far more in bits than complete.... but the thought of breaking them would be just too much to bear...
..... And luckily, I don't have to.
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Well, as the seller, I'm pleased.
I think people underestimate the desire of some people to have "original" parts. Replicas, no matter how good, simply will not do.
EDIT: Yes, I remember selling OE grab handles for over £100. Those were the days....
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It's the free p&p that lures them suckers in !
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As the seller I would be delighted too.
It's only the last two that have gone for this sort of money, but as you say the desire to get hold of one, especially if you missed out on the last one.
Wish I had half a dozen.
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Well, as the seller, I'm pleased.
I think people underestimate the desire of some people to have "original" parts. Replicas, no matter how good, simply will not do.
EDIT: Yes, I remember selling OE grab handles for over £100. Those were the days....
Don't agree. I bet I could repro that clip and you wouldn't tell the difference unless you got your magnifying glass out saying it had been laser cut on the edges rather than stamped. ;) Not doing it though ... can't be bothered as I have one on my bike anyway.
A lot of the Genuine Honda parts are not the same as original anyway. I have a Genuine Honda NOS CB400/4 seat and the clips on the back of the chrome studs are definitely not the same as my bike from 1975.
Problem is with people paying silly money is it hikes the price for the saner (well almost saner) ones among us. People spend twice as much on restoration as the bike is worth and then start moaning on about it, sometimes on here !
Cheers .. Ash.
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Pretty sure I threw one of them in with a job lot of engine bolts when I broke a 400/4 engine a couple of years back. Bonkers money, glory of selling on ebay when stuff goes ballistic like that but it makes me rather reluctant to part with any of my parts stash given I hope to get another 40 years out of my sohc bikes, even if it means lpg converting them or brewing up my own bio fuel if the oil runs out.
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Ash, I think Honda changed the stud fixings on the seats at some point during the production run, actually, because I have noticed it on genuine OE seats in good unrestored condition. Honda has a habit of changing minor parts of components here and there.
And don't get me started on the sleeves on the rose joints of 400 Four gear lever assemblies....
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Also don't think I am having a pop at you bike-pusher. You explained your reasons for selling the parts for high prices ( not start prices mind you), when you came on here and I have the same money pit as you . No not a Honda .. another daughter at Uni.. her rent alone costs me 425/month. It's just that since DSS and other people are reproducing parts I don't think the 400/4 is ever going to sky-rocket in price restored. Too many people loved them that much that they never parted with them, so whilst there are loads of frames and crankcase to be had there are always going to be loads of them about. BTW just clearing my loft and found the bill of sale for my 400/4 exhaust system direct from Honda from '86 at 109 GBP ! Now that's one part that should be correct, in my view ..stunning profile and solid too.. despite having silver paint on collector joints as standard from Honda !
What we need to do on here is endorse suppliers of really nice repro parts. Take the CB750K0 clock covers / faces etc. that 'Lecram' (Marcel) a member on here repro'd and sells. This is a part I NEVER believed would be repro'd as good as the original but I bought the full kit directly, and they are stunning quality/originality. They are so good that even the sandcastonly.com guys can't find fault with them and that Yamiya have now chosen to to stock instead of their own, overpriced inferior product.
Cheers ... Ash
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I agree with Ash, bloody ridicules. Just don't leave your 400f parked out of your sight especially in Sutton! I'll watch out for anyone near my bike how has a 10mm spanner.
Easy enough to make that cable guide or come to that the other one that's little more than a piece of bent round stock chrome plated. I have no plans though.
I must have made close to a hundred 400f stand lifting handles when I saw people paying silly money for them. They weren't exactly the same as original but better than fitting a CB750f one and they were plated to a very good standard. They went all over the world.
Still have the press tool somewhere.
I have an item on ebay at the moment, left with them when the owner gave up on his project. If they reach the same as a couple of those clips I'll be happy and would judge that as reasonable.
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Would not have paid that for it after seeing some of the stuff other guys have made on this site like Rich, Pete, Ash, etc ask those guys to make em for you or am I out of line guys?
Cheers
Bitsa
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kent400 - I really don't like that Sutton inference. I was offered a ringed 400 Four recently, very cheap, as the seller knew I was going to break it, and I pointed out, quite firmly, that I run a business and absolutely will not touch such stuff.
As for the rest, I start my items low. And this is a limited company. And sometimes people get a bargain - like the guy who got a genuine Honda 400 Four handlebar the other day (in very nice nick) for a tenner. If people want to throw money around, let them. I'd rather it went into my pocket than somebody else's.
As for repro parts - there are some that are damn good. I even think those repro rechromed rear guards are well worth the money. The chrome isn't as good as OE Honda, but for £100, they're great. Some repro instruments I've seen have been poor, but the pro restored ones are super.
The point is that the utter 100% originality anoraks simply will not countenance a pattern part, no matter how good it is. And I'd never sell a repro as OE. These guys want to know it's 100% genuine and original. As I've said before, it's a sort of OCD behaviour, really.
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Kent400's (PeterH) restored gauges are superb BTW and not silly money. Problem is that there is also a guy called Peter restoring gauges and his ARE silly money.
Problem I have found with a few of those anoraks is that they don't apply the same fastidiousness to engine internals. I know people who have restored bikes with mega expensive genuine NOS cycle parts etc. and paid silly money for hard to get items. but not even touched the internals of a 20 odd plus k mile bike that's been off the road for 25 years !
Funny story with my 400/4 I restored in '86 that was in my brother's barn for 23 years. I hunted high and low for the lift handle in the interim years but refused to pay the silly money and I was going to make one myself. When I got the bike back from storage it had the lifting handle on it.. I had forgotten I had fitted one to it!
Cheers ..... Ash
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Bracket would be worth a lot more if it came with instructions as to where it was supposed to be fitted.....
Sorry trigger?
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F it, I am rising to the challenge, taking the bait, blah, blah, blah. :) I am going to get that bracket onto CAD and laser cut and make a few. Then I'll tackle the wire thingy and then the wiring guide. May take a few weeks though as I am mega busy at work at the 'mo. I am not sure I have the wiring guide with the PVC coating on it, on my bike, so may need your help guys plus I need to get some PVC black dip from a mate of mine. Not sure if the grommet is still available but I know someone who will mould it, who is a rubber moulder in Hull and a Honda Cafe guy, so one of us. Going to check with David Silver first though that hes not got them in the pipeline. Quality Chrome guys son works with me so will tap him up for the chroming. Will get my chemist mate to analyse the grommet rubber and my metalurgist mate to tell me the grade of steel for the 3 parts. With all these favours can feel the floodgates opening on fixing cracked screen Iphones ... GRRRR. ::)
BTW playing with a micro spot-welder for my own business this week.. bl**dy brilliant. Although had to replace Chinese mains fuse from 5A to 13A (it says on the back current 220-240 VAC 2-15A). Dims the office lights when you weld with it though ::) . Made my own SS leadscrew by wrapping 0.4 mm SS wire around a 1mm bar and micro spot welding the wire at either end. Going to tackle those clock bands next with it!
UPDATE : emailed DSS
Cheers ...AshD
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That sounds worthwhile. The circular grommet in the clutch cable guide is plastic, btw, not rubber. I'd just warn that all that tooling up may be a waste of effort, because you have to consider your customer base.
I've noticed that the people who bid on these little clips and guides I sell are all the same buyers. I have a shrewd feeling that there may not actually be that many people in the market for them. In other words, you may find yourself only selling maybe a couple of dozen.
The lifting handles was a different thing - absolutely everyone took them off back in the day, because they fitted carriers to the back of the bike. The clips and guides get lost because people get forgetful, which isn't quite as common an event.
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As bike-pusher says the inner ring is plastic.
I have a XL 500S with 2 similar cable guides. see www.cmsnl.com steering head item 3 & 4. The inner plastic cable guide is available part No. 45466-239-000 (3 euros)....Alan
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Interesting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the metal clip itself isn't used on another model....
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Not really after selling them, not my game !. Just rising to the challenge and I am getting loads of stuff laser cut anyway for my job. I need the wiring loom guide thingy pic attached, anyway and no way am I paying bidding war prices for one ... out of stubborn principle!
Cheers .. Ash
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There are 2 mounting points on the XL500s, but I would think the plastic insert is the same size...what do you think Ash?....Alan
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F it, I am rising to the challenge, taking the bait, blah, blah, blah. :) I am going to get that bracket onto CAD and laser cut and make a few. Then I'll tackle the wire thingy and then the wiring guide. May take a few weeks though as I am mega busy at work at the 'mo. I am not sure I have the wiring guide with the PVC coating on it, on my bike, so may need your help guys plus I need to get some PVC black dip from a mate of mine. Not sure if the grommet is still available but I know someone who will mould it, who is a rubber moulder in Hull and a Honda Cafe guy, so one of us. Going to check with David Silver first though that hes not got them in the pipeline. Quality Chrome guys son works with me so will tap him up for the chroming. Will get my chemist mate to analyse the grommet rubber and my metalurgist mate to tell me the grade of steel for the 3 parts. With all these favours can feel the floodgates opening on fixing cracked screen Iphones ... GRRRR. ::)
BTW playing with a micro spot-welder for my own business this week.. bl**dy brilliant. Although had to replace Chinese mains fuse from 5A to 13A (it says on the back current 220-240 VAC 2-15A). Dims the office lights when you weld with it though ::) . Made my own SS leadscrew by wrapping 0.4 mm SS wire around a 1mm bar and micro spot welding the wire at either end. Going to tackle those clock bands next with it!
UPDATE : emailed DSS
Cheers ...AshD
Hi Ash,
I don’t believe so, but to be sure-can you confirm the Honda part no of what you are proposing to make. If it helps, we may be able to buy some from you.
Yes, we are at Stafford, in the main hall. It's free to collect orders from the stand, £1 to send orders when placed at the show.
Best Regards
David
David Silver Spares LTD
www.davidsilverspares.co.uk
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CLAMP CLUTCH WIRE 22872356000 (356 IS AN XL350 K0/K1 PART)
HOLDER WIRE HARN 32174377000 (377 IS A CB400 FOUR F0/'76/'77 PART)
INNER CABLE GUIDE 45466329000 3 Euro CMSNL, DSS 2.80 +VAT (329 IS AN XL250 K0/K1/K2 PART )
GUIDE A BRK CABLE 45467329000 (329 IS AN XL250 K0/K1/K2 PART)
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Plastic part is still available and would have been the hardest to repro, so no worries there.
Cheers ... AshD
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Interesting! I'd have put money on Honda sharing at least one of those parts with another bike, but an XL350 would not have been my first guess....
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The early 1979-1981 XLs 250 & XL 500s share the same inner plastic cable guide.
Interesting project Ash, let us know how you get on. Have you bought the stock from www.cmsnl.com ?...Alan
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The early 1979-1981 XLs 250 & XL 500s share the same inner plastic cable guide.
Interesting project Ash, let us know how you get on. Have you bought the stock from www.cmsnl.com ?...Alan
Will keep you posted.. Already have the parts to copy from except the loom guide.
Will be out of action for 2 days so no posts from me guys.
Cheers... Ash
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David Silver has emailed me saying he has not got the parts in line for repro and if I make some he will consider stocking them, so a bit of incentive :)
Another example of lunacy... still available for about 3 quid from Honda !! ..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB400-Four-CB400F-CB400-4-Genuine-clutch-cable-guide-loop-inner-NOS-RARE-/301249817991?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4623e36d87&vxp=mtr
A disgrace to my Home town .. well we did have Prescott and the Housemartins ... Nuff Said !!
Cheers ... Ash
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Oh, Bertrum. Yes, he does a lot of this.
That said, I've been flogging 400F gear lever restoration kits, comprising shrouds and gear lever tips. DS will tell you the shrouds are unavailable, because that's what the parts computer says, but they are indeed available as separate items.
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http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/by-part-number/partnumber_45466329000/
why pay his price when its that price at ds
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http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/by-part-number/partnumber_45466329000/
Yes I know .. They are the same more or less at CMSNL. I emailed him about a toolbox part the other week that was an astronomical price and he said he had ordered it from DSS but it was out of stock so he put a massive price on it on eBay so that nobody would bid. Is that the way to run an online business plus he is supposed to be a fellow 400/4 owner. There is also a main Honda dealer in Hull selling cam chain guides on eBay for more than Honda sell them new and theirs are NOS. We are already dubbed a a 'crap' town (which we are not) but these kind of people just fuel the fire.
Took the two brackets off my 400/4 last night to measure up and the 'bu**er was saying .. please please use me again :'( so it will happen in the spring, when all of my other resto's are due to be completed. I have played hunter-gather for too long now :-[
Cheers.. Ash
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To be honest, I don't have a problem with people asking silly money for something that's available for a fraction of the price elsewhere - if people don't do their homework and shop around, that's their lookout.
What annoys me are the sharks who sell stuff that simply isn't what it's claimed to be. Instruments are the Number One category here. I've lost count of the number of people who are offering "400 Four" clocks that are actually off a 250 or, quite recently, a CB175.
There's some bod selling a 1978 yellow 400 Four recently, mileage 22k or something, and the speedo is a 110mph one from a very early bike, so the mileage is really.... well, your guess is as good as mine....
This one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-400-Four-1978-/271614226023
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I know this 400 well. The thing that baffles me with it is the crank case is a nice painted finish but, the barrel up don't match.
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How do you know it trig? The tank decals are wrong too. The blue is way too light. Should be almost black. Like something from IKEA
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Quote "To be honest, I don't have a problem with people asking silly money for something that's available for a fraction of the price elsewhere - if people don't do their homework and shop around, that's their lookout."
Each to their own I suppose and I am just a hobbyist as far as bike restoration is concerned and not relying on it to earn a crust but I could never justify myself charging someone 7 times the price for anything that they could buy it for new at any Honda dealer. Just the way I was brought up I suppose. I put some 400/4 parts on eBay years ago and a silly bidding war started. At the end of the auction I just emailed the buyer and told him to pay me a figure much less than the finishing price, basically what I thought they were worth tops. I was happy and so was he. Also I have become really good friends with a few people I have sold to on eBay, they are often fellow restorers and we now swap ideas/parts/grumbles etc.
Cheers ... Ash
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Ash,
I am of the same opinion, I put something on eBay yesterday and just wanted a fair price for it so I started the auction at £15 but wanted to put a but it now price on at £20 but eBay won't let you.
Why does it need to be 40% more all I want to do is make sure the price is fair (trigger and his 99p bargains ;)
Seems fair to me but not to eBay !!
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Paul, You are never going to let that 99p deal go. It has been a year now. Still waiting for my 99p brake lines from your CB650 ;)
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Why does it need to be 40% more all I want to do is make sure the price is fair (trigger and his 99p bargains ;)
Seems fair to me but not to eBay !!
Ebay is very aggressive for its revenues. Its wording is very dubious to me (you surely do not have a binding contract when you win an internet auction) and if you want to close your account you have to wait 6 months "to ensure there are no revenues due to us"). If something goes wrong (eg your account gets hacked - because they lost their entire database as it turns out) they are not interested - "we are just a venue".
They make the widest inventory available to the widest audience, which is a good thing, and ultimate market forces are brought to bear. Ok. But in other ways they are quite shitty.
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Paul - so why didn't you set a reserve price instead?
Tom - there's a lot to criticise about eBay, but I find that as a business seller, if you play the game fairly, they're damn good.
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Trigger you have not sent the 99p yet ;)
Still trying to get my hands on some of this cheap Tesco oil but non of my local stores stock it.
I have had some great deals with eBay but the policy on 40% higher is stupid all I want is a good fare price !!
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I'm quite happy to give stuff away - a lot of my regular customers find 'extras' popped into their parcels from time to time.
The value of something is what someone's prepared to pay for it. When you're into intangibles, like what it's "worth" to get something "right", as you see it, all bets are off.
What pisses me off is people flogging shit i n a deceitful manner. Like the twonk who tried to sell me that cb125 engine recently - only the right-hand side (badly) photographed, so you didn't see the total absence of left-hand engine casing, stator, alternator, points (not to mention the mullered crankshaft end) until you got there. And it wasn't a CB125 engine anyway.
He even got snotty because I left neutral feedback. He deserved a neg.
There are just too many people trying to con would-be restorers and starry-eyed fifty-somethings who want to recapture their salad days.
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Bike pusher
Totally agree with you, now you know why I mentioned a what pisses you off page.Sounds like I am not alone
Cheers
Bitsa
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Did you ask for your £2.20 back for that 125cc engine? ;)
Cheers ...Ash
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Ash - I took cash. But didn't hand it over....
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Crackin' joke though ::)
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Probably worth more than £2.20 as scrap metal!
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You have a point :-)
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In my mission to produce those three pesky clips. I Have discovered there are two versions of the harness holder see pic. One has a bent over lip and the other one does not.
32174-377-000 is lipped & not sure on the P/N for the non-lipped version.
THE CB400F2 PARTS DIAGRAM DOES ACTUALLY SHOW TWO PARTS FOR THE SAME ITEM (100 and 101). I do have a parts book for the 400/4 but it's buried in my loft somewhere !!
Please assist you 400/4 anoraks ;D out there with the other P/N then I can at least attempt to get you these parts for non-ripoff money ( hopefully). Suggest I am going to spend a load of dosh on this and end up with a pile of car-boot / autojumble fodder but hey-ho I like a challenge ::) and DSS is interested in stocking them.
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Cheers ... AshD
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Confused here. What's that large lump on the right-hand side of the clip?
I've got a parts book, but it's in the garage and I'm in the office.... Can look later.
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Confused here. What's that large lump on the right-hand side of the clip?
I've got a parts book, but it's in the garage and I'm in the office.... Can look later.
There are evidently two parts and two parts listed in the F2 parts manual item 100 &101. One has a turned over bit of the metal part and the hump in the picture I posted is where it has been black PVC plasticol dipped and not drained properly so when cured it's developed the hump. There is a guy selling one on eBay 'Hondacrome'. It may be a 'region' thing. Thought it was only my missus that got the 'hump' :) Possibly the one with the hump prevents the loom from coming out better so may be a later modified part.
Cheers ... Ash
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Here it is from my moth eaten green parts manual. Issue no.4 1977
Frame Group item No.100 32174-377-000 Holder Wire harness F model and F1 country codes A,CM,DK,DM,U
Frame Group item No.100 32174-377-000 Holder Wire harness F model and F2 country codes E,ED,F.G,S
Frame Group item No.101 32174-392-000 Holder Wire harness F2 model country codes A,CM (392 middle number is CB750F F0/'76)
Confused?
Ash
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Here it is from my moth eaten green parts manual. Issue no.4 1977
Frame Group item No.100 32174-377-000 Holder Wire harness F model and F1 country codes A,CM,DK,DM,U
Frame Group item No.100 32174-377-000 Holder Wire harness F model and F2 country codes E,ED,F.G,S
Frame Group item No.101 32174-392-000 Holder Wire harness F2 model country codes A,CM (392 middle number is CB750F F0/'76)
Confused?
Ash
HA !HA! sent this info to 'hondacrome' who is selling NOS ones on eBay and he had a pop at me for being a 'know it all' :-[ , which I am not. Giving him the info would enable him to sell better but hey ho that's probably why he sells NOS for 30 quid and Neil manages 60 for used. It's how you treat your customers that counts. He then came back saying he was a bit harsh with his comments and said he used to sell lots of used fenders before the decent copies came in. I already knew that ...... I remember him trying to get a double cut for my 750K0. He couldn't find one but gave me useful info on the other types available etc so I sent him a tenner by PayPal as a thank you.
Just noticed they are flogging Liam Gallagher clobber in a shop in Hull... off to town to get myself a designer anorak ;D Just need to master that Manc 'swagger' now!
Cheers ... AshD
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Just got a few rare little clips for my CB250K0 and look what's languishing amongst them. Make a nice pattern to copy from to repro. That part is definitely not from the CB350 twin!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301369411974
Cheers ... Ash