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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: kettle738 on December 05, 2016, 02:23:48 PM
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Hi all....I bought a pattern rear mudguard for mt 400f via ebay....in brief, the mounting holes for the rear light bracket are some way off centre...far enough to be obvious.
I can return it, that's not the problem, what I need to know is, are they all the same no matter what the source?
I'll happily try one from DSS but not if it's going to have the same fault.
I'm amazed that anyone would go to the not inconsiderable trouble of manufacturing this part only to get such a fundamental part of the process so wrong!
Mick.........kettle738
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I'm amazed that anyone would go to the not inconsiderable trouble of manufacturing this part only to get such a fundamental part of the process so wrong!
I agree, quality control obviously isn't what it ought to be.
There are a number of pattern items up for sale on eBay, at varying prices but mainly cheaper than DS (who are out of stock at the moment anyway).
This one comes with a pretty comprehensive description and seems decent value, you could always message the seller to check about the holes to be sure.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/new-chrome-rear-mudguard-mud-guard-fender-Honda-CB400-4-CB400-four-1973-1977/371786892105?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3D4e238c689332424ba838ba6740e2e296%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D112136706514
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Unfortunately all the pattern rear mudguards are like that. No quality control at all. Had three for my CB350F (same as the 400) all from different suppliers (including DSS) and all were bad, sent the lot back. I ended up getting a genuine Honda secondhand item and getting it re-chromed. That fitted perfectly. Sorry.
Check this out. http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,8257.105.html (http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,8257.105.html)
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Never having fitted one I can't comment personally. Certainly not all repro front mudguards are the same - Mr bike-pusher has one up for sale at the moment that looks much poorer quality than others I have seen.
If you decide to go down the rechrome route and you don't have a suitable one to start with how about this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/honda-cb400-four-rear-mudguard-/262741000299?hash=item3d2c95806b:g:AFMAAOSwo4pYPegv
Don't know what the chroming cost would be though, maybe Roy can give an idea.
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If my memory serves Chris, it was £75 at RS Electroplaters in Manchester. Plus P&P obviously.
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Hi Mick, this is where you've been, now I know why you haven't been on the XS1100 forum for a while. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have fitted a replacement rear guard from DSS and apart from some minor cursing during the fitting stage it is of decent quality, the rear light bracket is central anyway.
The guard that came as part of the box of pits is of heavy gauge black fibreglass, ugly!
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Hi, many thanks for all the replies.......I still have the XS1100......
now joined by a 4,100m from new CB400f which came from the same source as Ashimoto's haul;
I didn't realise until I was there buying the bike but I knew the old chap who'd died, his son was selling his bikes on and I had the good fortune to be first in the queue......the son was just like his dad, a top bloke.
I would post a photo of it......but the image attachment system is just incomprehensible
Mick.
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I would post a photo of it......but the image attachment system is just incomprehensible
Hi Mick,
I always add attachments which I have on my PC. If you have them there the system is pretty easy.
Just click on the bit below the reply box that says 'Attachments and other options'.
This will open a further bit of window headed 'Attach' where you can browse your PC to find the pic you want to attach.
To add more than one click on '(more attachments)' below the browse box and repeat.
Of course you may have file size issues (size limits apply) - this has been covered elsewhere on these forums, can't remember where right now.
Then we can see pics of your bike!
Is the 400 you are fitting (or trying to fit) the mudguard to the one from the aforementioned old chap?
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Managed it!........the photo flatters the 400f quite a bit, there is plenty of surface rust......but it came with a NOS seat and what I thought for a while was a spare new engine....it turns out the engine has been in storage indoors since 1978 and it's marked to show it has covered 604 miles from new.....under the grime it does look it too.
I also brought this one home, a Bomber......I knew the owner many years ago.......when I last saw this bike it was probably 30 years back and it lived in his living room, it was near mint...but a few years in a damp garage have changed all that; it has just 2,700m from new (virtually nil 30 years ago) and is original right down to the tyres.
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Love those old bombers....
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Are you up for selling the bomber?
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Yes ...sadly I have heard that all of the pattern guards don't fit very well Mick. Amazing that they can get it so wrong. I think you will find the chromers will do a good job on your original. It's rims & exhausts that some of them can't seem to master. I would think £70-> £100 for a nice job on re-chroming your rear guard. Among the papers with that bike were some old DS adverts cut from MCM ..when he sold everything mega cheap ! References to 'The House of Wheels' in Leytonstone was also in there too ...that place certainly brings back memories for me.
Here are the carbs that were almost certainly off Mick's mega low miler spare 400/4 engine originally . Just a half hour in my ultrasonic cleaner and they will be spiffing. ;D
Also the Bomber I got that was languishing in the garden. Got quite a few spare parts to go with it though inc. some solid mudguards .. 'presentable ' original pipes, seat, tank, ect.
Star finds in the boxes and boxes and boxes of rusty parts I got, which I had a quick scan though yesterday (CB450 Bomber, CB72/77, 250T and G5) were the missing 4 side panels with emblems (mega rare) for the two CB250K0's I got (4.5k miles and 6k miles & my original reason for going there) plus a pristine set of Varnish Blue side panels that will go nice with the lovely tank that 'Boggieman' on here kindly sold to me for my 400/4
Everything is stored at my mates warehouse ... he's a rough diamond geezer but his enthusiasm is second to none and a true 'mate'.
Yes lovely young guy we were dealing with ..... an absolute gentleman .... I told him to get himself out of the 'smoke' and move to the City of Culture 2017. Sadly I don't quite think I convinced him ;D
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The chap certainly had quite a selection of bombers!
I remember the one I had, a 1966 bike I owned in the late 1970's.
In those days I managed to pick up a new speedo/tacho and a cylinder head for very little money. But as a poor student that bike sadly had to go.
Ash, have you found many G5 bits (as well as the complete bike)?
I take it this is why you were looking for the Parts List?
The blue bike looks pretty complete to me. Are you smitten with it yet?
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The chap certainly had quite a selection of bombers!
I remember the one I had, a 1966 bike I owned in the late 1970's.
In those days I managed to pick up a new speedo/tacho and a cylinder head for very little money. But as a poor student that bike sadly had to go.
Ash, have you found many G5 bits (as well as the complete bike)?
I take it this is why you were looking for the Parts List?
The blue bike looks pretty complete to me. Are you smitten with it yet?
Hi Chris ...when I wanted the parts list it was because I bought stuff from a separate council garage a mile or so away which contained a couple of G5 bottom ends, best part of a rolling chassis etc etc. I also got a CB72 engine so I asked if there might be a frame for it back at his dad's house. He said there was only rusty junk there but I talked him into letting me have a peep...that's when I discovered all of that stuff, that neither Mick or myself had seen on previous visits. I suspected there was a CX in the shed but I had to go back to investigate in a very, very narrow time window, plus its a 500+ round trip for me and I still work fulltime. When we moved all of the junk we found the CX and a complete G5 next to it with<2k miles on it. The scene there , for me, was a mixture of elation and sadness and I felt a few of my old demons coming back...Julie, quite rightly, told us all to stop being so miserable so I kind of killed that thread, so I must thank her for that. Is there anything in particular you are looking for? Obviously every part I found that was chromed was pitted and all of the G5 top ends were toast ...why did Honda get that top end so wrong? I actually think the G5 was a pretty little bike and a few years back nobody wanted them but I think there is interest in them now. I have the V5 for that 2k miler but sadly it's in a PO to the old guys name !
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I had a call 3 years ago to clear a house just south of Sale after the a recent death. We turned up to a house with the attitude of a undertaker and was met by a woman who's only concern was, she could not sell the house and buy a bungalow until the house was cleared of bikes.
The front room and dinning room were like a show room, with glass display cabinets down the walls of the room, full of NOS parts. The whole house was filled with bikes, and I soon noticed that they all only had 2.6 to 8.1 miles on the clocks. I asked the woman, why so low mileage ? She replied, my husband never had a bike licence and none of them had been on the road. It took 3 of us 7 hours to list all the parts, paper work and bikes. We agreed on a price and said we would be back the next day with a truck, as we went to leave she said, and I hope you are going to clear out the shed.
The shed was 30x80 foot, it covered the whole of the back garden. In the shed we found a shed load of bikes and parts in the same mint condition as the ones in the house.
This guy was the original bike polisher, he would buy new bikes and keep them in his showroom (front room) and when they, got a bit too dusty, he would push them in to his shed, strip them down and clean them before returning them to his show room. The low mileage on the bikes was due to him pushing them back and forth over the years. We ended up with 3 truck loads of bikes, parts, ramps and tools.
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Hi Ash, I understand your feelings at the scene. Stashing bikes and parts away is one thing if they are somewhere dry but quite another if they are stashed in a leaky shed or under a hedge. But then again, the shed probably wasn't leaky when the bikes and parts were put in there ....
Yes, the other thread did get a bit morbid but raised good points - maybe we all need to consider what we have so that others can do something with it if the worst happens. I came across a case at a steam fair a while back where the owners of a traction engine, one of only one or very few more of its type left, had sent some major engine parts to be refurbished. The guy doing the job unfortunately dropped dead and his relatives apparently scrapped the entire contents of his workshop, including those irreplaceable engine parts.
As far as the G5 goes, if you have the V5 for the complete bike does it matter whose name it is in? Surely the important bit is having it. It's a bit like applying for a V5 for a bike if you have the registration number and details (I have done it). I had no idea who the previous owner who would have been on the document even was - the bike came from a breaker - but getting the V5 was no problem.
For my own bike, I think I have everything I need and the top end seems OK. I could do with some side panel badges but can probably do something with the ones I have. Main thing is finding the motivation to get on with it but I doubt there was any in the shed!