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CB750 / Re: What's this all about ??
« on: Today at 09:28:09 AM »
Very interesting within Honda, is that they've built so so many different types in configuration and application, all good to compare design traits etc.

The three mentioned above all allmin the same area in regard to bhp per cylinder, more importantly loading (torque)  and speed all being close to specify a bearing for use in.

The detail in your thread about prototype 750, the small original big ends suggest it either started as a roller bearing crank or sized upward 8f origin in plain bearing, to control crank twist perhaps. 
Around that time were the car engine 4 cylinder too, with roller bearing crankshaft.

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CB750 / Re: What's this all about ??
« on: Today at 08:50:29 AM »
Yes, you'd definitely need a "depth" hardened surface to run rollers or balls on, thats in comparison to plain bearing arrangement.

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CB750 / Re: What's this all about ??
« on: Today at 07:01:50 AM »
That would mean you could regrind a crank, does anybody know if the journals are hardened cos i dont

If needing treatment after grind, process like this available https://aalberts-st-heat.co.uk/tufftride-qpq#:~:text=The%20Tufftride%C2%AE%20process%20of,the%20characteristic%20black%20surface%20finish. Suitable for materials that can't accept nitride treatment.

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CB500/550 / Re: NGK plugs for 500
« on: May 17, 2024, 06:41:21 PM »
Worthwhile trying them Ted, then you can form your own view and report the effects, if any, to forum for our appreciation  :)

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CB500/550 / Re: NGK plugs for 500
« on: May 16, 2024, 06:42:56 PM »
I ran resistor plugs and caps for years and didn't have a problem. I think DSS sells the R plugs for the 500. But I must admit I now use non R plugs.
My 71 500 came with 7.5k plug caps from new I believe.

I've not experienced the purported problems that's often attributed to doing this either.

Often given out as a "No no" but without substantiated evidence to prove there's inherent problem by doing so.

I'd run them Ted, then you'll get at least personal experience of this with your own setup.

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Humour / Re: Wife bought me some new tools.
« on: May 16, 2024, 04:34:09 PM »
You could use them to put up some virtual shelves for ornaments that don't need to be bought Ted  ;D


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If they've informed you of the risks, then rectification would in all logic be at your cost, should they snap any.

Fixing it ... down to competency within that business as to how they approach this.

Most assured outcome would likey involve the head off and to a machine shop to mount on a milling machine, then to machine the broken part out   ( especially if stuck with nothing protruding) to not balls up the head casting.

A friend, when these were contemporary engines, ran a jig on milling machine to do this and to machine the spark plug holes, especially two centre one's, in repairing them. All his customers were bike shops that farmed this out to him.

Difficult decision to go ahead or not, they can easily go wrong and they are right to warn you of this.

May be lucky if they've originally been put in with coppaslip or similar. 

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CB750 / Re: Wow this is the real deal 1968 prototype CB750
« on: May 16, 2024, 10:34:37 AM »
Interestingly, the combined float bowls are seperate in function, having discreet volume for each carb, but seem to be used as mounting to give structural component (later a dedicated carb "rack") along with a beam across the top of carbs to make a competent assembly.

Placement of anything PRE marketplace is, as I understand it, subject to tax and import regulation for which a temporary waiver is given, after which the item (s) have to be either removed from the country, or destroyed for disposal (being cheaper) to ultimately comply with their temporary import.

Guessing that some of these vehicles escape by someone hiding them away as they think it's too much of a waste, on a personal level, to really scrap them. Interesting that some are kept, understandable that the stories are deliberately obscured. Technically the IRS could still come for the demands of import be met, although out of time status likely to apply now. In taxman terms, they'd probably want to see it crushed  :)

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CB750 / Re: Wow this is the real deal 1968 prototype CB750
« on: May 15, 2024, 11:36:48 PM »
Very interesting Ash.

Makes sense that they took it there as soon as something tangible was available to show, what with history of them in USA Honda network asking for a multi cylinder engine to advance from the 450 twin as request from marketing position etc.

The notes say "only CB750" to use accelerator pump on carbs .... probably don't know about the F2 then, and also Keihin made  :)

Interesting about having a Hyvo primary chain on that one only too. Last development of this bottom end, going into RCB racer, went to gear primary drive with a idler intermediary gear to keep the gearbox rotation in same direction too.

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In concept, the inner race of the bearings form one complete tube along with the other bits mounted onto the axle, tightening should clamp all those elements tight together in one continuous load path.

In production reality and tolerancing, the bearing "seats" in the wheel casting and the bearing spacer length would have to be very accurate OR individually shimmed to get an exact match once torque is applied at assembly.

What the common design does is to to use one reference bearing (usually the chain side on rear, often left side on front) to fully fix the outer race hard against it's hub shoulder, then retainer ring to keep it from moving.

The opposite side is usually left with some space between outer track and wheel shoulder, this to effectively "float" in the wheel axialy. That can then be used for tolerance of the assembly comprising of primary bearing, spacers etc. Not too critical in other words, the primary bearing controlling lateral location.

It SHOULD turn freely when all tightened, but will accommodate some bearing preload if need be (that would mean spacer total was less than the two hub shoulder in dimensions) with any significant drag being cause for concern and a look at just what components and their placing is doing in there.

If the rear wheel was tightened with no brake drag and no chain fitted, then likely you'd feel some small shift in rotation with anything significant causing more concern. They should spin reasonably easily, but not like a bicycle wheel does  :)

It's odd to describe and sounds like a "fudge" to say so, but unlike setting a bearing arrangement for preloaded by measuring turning torque etc, these are just meant to be assembled, correctly,  with no real methods except assuring the right parts are used and in the right place.

Judgement would give that any significant changes as it's tightened should raise questions, as Ted's done, then investigating exactly how the various parts are installed to try and make absolutely sure all is in the right orientation.

Bit long winded, but difficult to describe in a different way,, possibly  :)

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Misc / Open / Re: Barn find!
« on: May 08, 2024, 09:35:20 PM »
Another fabulous old engine

https://youtu.be/VCkP56UFMiI?si=3EPQDVl3dnuOaYuw

Could be a pacemaker for old engineers  ;D

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It's 23C "up the smoke" in the great metropolis today.

Sweltering darn sarf  ;D

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What is it? / Re: Mysterious Exhaust Teeth
« on: May 08, 2024, 12:13:21 PM »
Has a previous custodian filed teeth in them to id for each cylinder ?

Perhaps owned by a dentist previously  ;D

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Good work Ted.

Its a skill that used to be genuinely labelled "Mechanical Fitter" in which the person assembling etc had to be adaptive with approach to competently build assembled machinery.

What could be "fettled" aspect of structural, mechanical and metallurgy, all part of training to cope with various components from disparate scource being built into one machine.

Quite a valued occupation, when we used to make things in this country  :)

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CB500/550 / Re: Im a diesel idiot !!!!
« on: May 07, 2024, 08:25:33 AM »
I cant see any practical problem if it runs ok. It'll just pass through with no real effects generally at that level.

Just topping it up as its used should get hack on track with dilution at that level.

iF there's any immediate affect, thats usually cold starting with the mixture less likely to fire competently and possible white smoke evident from diesel not burning in cold combustion chambers.

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