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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB750 => Topic started by: adespin on November 18, 2018, 10:14:05 PM
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Does this guy know what he's talking about, in a few years a sandcast will be worth a quarter of a million pounds, blimey!!, so on a pro rata basis my K1 will be worth up to a 100 grand, i didn't know that they are fragile, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA3FFe-lSsw.
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So who wants my F2 for around £30K .. ....... .
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And why not !
I used to buy CX500's for £50 not that long ago ;) And picking up UK CB 750 units for £500 with in the last decade.
I know a guy that has more than 30 CB, RD, KH, GT 250's still in there boxes from when they changed the L plate laws and the dealers just could not sell them so, he was picking them up for £50 to £75 each :o
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Any one want my 1/2 finished UK K1 96k ;) ;D ;D
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Any one want my 1/2 finished UK K1 96k ;) ;D ;D
It must owe you more than that already Paul 😀😀😀
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Where do I get GBP 45.000 for my # 1983 ?
I am thinking of selling her.
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Any one want my 1/2 finished UK K1 96k ;) ;D ;D
It must owe you more than that already Paul 😀😀😀
Feels like it Julie :( :(
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In the middle of selling my Classic 911 (via a specialist dealer on consignment, having got sick of timewasters and scammers), to fund a late 60's / early 70's Alfa GTV, so up to my eyes in following / researching classic prices at the moment.
They have gone mental, we can remember tatty E-Types struggling to sell for £900, and muggins here swapped his £800 CB750 sandcast for a £750 Norton in the 70's, but assuming £25k or so for a sandcast now, its going to take more than 'a few years' for a tenfold increase.
(puts on accountants hat)
However much we may loathe it (unless you have a cellar full of them), 'blue chip' classics do compete for serious investment money, especially when interest rates tank, and are sadly often bought by people with no real interest in them other than somewhere to park their filthy lucre. Motor vehicles are almost unique as an investment in that they are free of Capital Gains Tax if they do make money. Most classic bikes will appreciate, because people want them and they aren't making any more, but the 'blue chip' list is relatively short, Hondas' include sandcasts, NR's, CR750's probably Black Bombers too, and obviously any factory racer - they only made a handful, and HRC were buggers for crushing them at the season's end. The less of anything there are, and the more people lust after one, the crazier the prices get.
Other than exotica (limited run ones, that sell for telephone numbers) 911's did double over the last few years, but mine hit peak value over two years ago and hasn't shifted at all since, the 'expert' who values it for insurance has told me not to bother the last two renewals, even though its an easy £35 for writing a letter.
I can't see where another tenfold is going to come from for anything, unless we get mental inflation.
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In the middle of selling my Classic 911 (via a specialist dealer on consignment, having got sick of timewasters and scammers), to fund a late 60's / early 70's Alfa GTV, so up to my eyes in following / researching classic prices at the moment.
MrDavo,
all I can sy don´t do that.
We have our 84 carrera 3.2 since almost 20 years (it became part of the family) and some old car came and went since then.
One of them was a 2000 GTV.
A nice car with good looks but at the end of the day ist a cheap manfactured car.
My wife refused to drive with it.
A lot of money went into this car but it still was a clunker.
Compared to that an old 911 is as solid as a tank. With good brakes, roadability and still good performance.
I´ go for a 2002ti if you realy want to have a change.
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I had a 2000 GTV back in the 80’s and literally watched it drop apart (and rust) around me. Interior trim bits had a mind of their own and used to drop off at random.
I grass tracked a 2002ti before they were worth money too 😕
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Sorry the thread has got hijacked, its not meant to be about me.
I had a 2000 GTV back in the 80’s and literally watched it drop apart (and rust) around me
Probably why they are getting scarcer :) No rational reason for wanting one other than that beautiful Bertone body shape and the twin cam engine (chain driven, not belt).
Not too many rotboxes are left around now, most have gone to the great scrapyard in the sky. Those that survive have mostly been rebuilt, I'll prefer one from a specialist (with a reputation to keep) with receipts for a rebuild, they do exist, but aren't cheap. Old 911's hide rust very well too, I have a telescopic rod with a magnet in the end which gets poked everywhere. I know how to walk if not 100% happy, I looked at plenty.
I will be doing due diligence, don't worry, I'd preferably go for a 1750 or 2000 GTV that has come from a salt free environment such as South Africa, Japan or Singapore, RHD markets where they were exported in CKD form for tax reasons.
Here's a hot rodded one from Japan https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C954320 Google tells me its been to a couple of auctions and not sold
A Singapore one, but down in Cornwall ::) https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C983653
There's another 1750 from Bahrain that has obviously never seen rain, but has new paint and interior, no doubt because of the sun.
And a 2000 which I looked at at the NEC show, its had a whole boatload spent on a full rebuild, but not used for a long time since, which can create its own issues https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1055943
I might get something else, but whatever happens the 911 is going, sadly as its got worth more I've got too precious about where I'll leave it, especially around these parts, an Alfa is a bit more anonymous in comparison.
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Sorry the thread has got hijacked, its not meant to be about me.
I had a 2000 GTV back in the 80’s and literally watched it drop apart (and rust) around me
Probably why they are getting scarcer :) No rational reason for wanting one other than that beautiful Bertone body shape and the twin cam engine (chain driven, not belt).
Not too many rotboxes are left around now, most have gone to the great scrapyard in the sky. Those that survive have mostly been rebuilt, I'll prefer one from a specialist (with a reputation to keep) with receipts for a rebuild, they do exist, but aren't cheap. Old 911's hide rust very well too, I have a telescopic rod with a magnet in the end which gets poked everywhere. I know how to walk if not 100% happy, I looked at plenty.
I will be doing due diligence, don't worry, I'd preferably go for a 1750 or 2000 GTV that has come from a salt free environment such as South Africa, Japan or Singapore, RHD markets where they were exported in CKD form for tax reasons.
Here's a hot rodded one from Japan https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C954320 Google tells me its been to a couple of auctions and not sold
A Singapore one, but down in Cornwall ::) https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C983653
There's another 1750 from Bahrain that has obviously never seen rain, but has new paint and interior, no doubt because of the sun.
And a 2000 which I looked at at the NEC show, its had a whole boatload spent on a full rebuild, but not used for a long time since, which can create its own issues https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1055943
I might get something else, but whatever happens the 911 is going, sadly as its got worth more I've got too precious about where I'll leave it, especially around these parts, an Alfa is a bit more anonymous in comparison.
I feel exactly the same way when i go for a ride on my K1, i won't leave it anywhere out of sight, back in the 70's when i had a new K2 i would leave it out of sight without a thought, then it was only worth £800, now though the K1's value is around £8000 i would be gutted if it were stolen, not because of it's value but because of the attachment i have for it.
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Sorry the thread has got hijacked, its not meant to be about me.
I had a 2000 GTV back in the 80’s and literally watched it drop apart (and rust) around me
Probably why they are getting scarcer :) No rational reason for wanting one other than that beautiful Bertone body shape and the twin cam engine (chain driven, not belt).
Not too many rotboxes are left around now, most have gone to the great scrapyard in the sky. Those that survive have mostly been rebuilt, I'll prefer one from a specialist (with a reputation to keep) with receipts for a rebuild, they do exist, but aren't cheap. Old 911's hide rust very well too, I have a telescopic rod with a magnet in the end which gets poked everywhere. I know how to walk if not 100% happy, I looked at plenty.
I will be doing due diligence, don't worry, I'd preferably go for a 1750 or 2000 GTV that has come from a salt free environment such as South Africa, Japan or Singapore, RHD markets where they were exported in CKD form for tax reasons.
Here's a hot rodded one from Japan https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C954320 Google tells me its been to a couple of auctions and not sold
A Singapore one, but down in Cornwall ::) https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C983653
There's another 1750 from Bahrain that has obviously never seen rain, but has new paint and interior, no doubt because of the sun.
And a 2000 which I looked at at the NEC show, its had a whole boatload spent on a full rebuild, but not used for a long time since, which can create its own issues https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1055943
I might get something else, but whatever happens the 911 is going, sadly as its got worth more I've got too precious about where I'll leave it, especially around these parts, an Alfa is a bit more anonymous in comparison.
Well good luck and whichever one you get don’t let it see a UK winter 😀
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I think a lot of Waxoyling would be in order, or even professional anti rust treatment would be money well spent.
Something I didn’t mention is that to fit in my garage with three bikes it can’t be a car any bigger than the 911, which rules out so much.
I retire in a couple of years, well probably semi retire, fit that first dark green Alfa with a set of racing roundles and I’ll be the coolest pensioner on the block :)
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If so I´d go for a 1750.
Much more nicer interior, nicer front and better engine.
The 2lt engine refuses to rev.
Claimed to have 130hp, but more realistical is 110-120.
Mine was completely rebuilt and slightly tuned but still disapointing.
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I note that the 1750s tend to be more expensive Uli, so I think people agree with you.
This is the green one, it seems to have been to a few auctions and not sold judging by Google, I don't know if that's unrealisting reserve prices or not as good as it looks in the photos.
(http://www.taketotheroad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/article-132-alfa-romeo-gt-01.jpg)
Anyway all academic until the 911 is turned into money. Steve, have your thread back.
What do sandcasts go for in Germany Uli?
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I am looking for 35 t Euro for the sandcast
So if you (or anybody else) know somebody anything else above 35t€ will be 50/50
Anyway, today a guy will come and have a look on her.
Yes, 1750 are more expensive than 2000 but I have no idea how crazy prizes are today.
I sold my 2000 after resto at about 15 t€. But that was ca. 15 years ago.
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Coolest color I know is that sepcial yellow (as mustard).
Friend of mine had one (car next to my white one)
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That green 1750 above looks bad painted. I see different color on door and back fender.
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I think the Alfa is a lovely looking car, really good proportions and that flat nose give it real stand out character.
I drove one years ago, friend of my parents from CH had one over here. Also one of the best sounding four cylinder engines of that period too.
Nothing wrong with a 911 either, they are such different vehicles though, a real contrast in concept and style between the two. Both very nice cars I feel.
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Coolest color I know is that sepcial yellow (as mustard).
Friend of mine had one (car next to my white one)
Have you still got that Nokia phone in the picture as well ! ;)
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That green 1750 above looks bad painted. I see different color on door and back fender.
I don't think the great British weather is doing it any favours there. That's a 2016 auction picture, this one's more recent, you'll probably tell me its darker where the shadows are ;D ;D I won't know really until I see it.
(https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/alfa_romeo/10405934.jpg)
Yes there's an Alfa colour called Giallo Ochre which is as cool as you like:
(https://thumbsnap.com/s/YkpnxAre.jpg)
Good luck with your sandcast Uli, its a stunner and I'm sure it will sell.
If I hadn't more bikes than I know what to do with already I'd consider it.
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back to the original post, paul jayson writes occasionally in CMM. almost all he says is incorrect and he comes across as an investor who knows a little bit about bikes. in the latest issue he talks about phil read replicas worth around £25000 and honda britains at £15000. clearly not in the real world and i'm surprised CMM allow him to spout his drivel in an otherwise excellent magazine. He even looks like an investor...
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back to the original post, paul jayson writes occasionally in CMM. almost all he says is incorrect and he comes across as an investor who knows a little bit about bikes. in the latest issue he talks about phil read replicas worth around £25000 and honda britains at £15000. clearly not in the real world and i'm surprised CMM allow him to spout his drivel in an otherwise excellent magazine. He even looks like an investor...
Exactly what i thought !! and what is this about fragile sandcasts, is there any truth to that ?
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A lot of early CB750s put the drive chain through the cases, but I think that was more about the 60’s chains not being up for it than any problems with the bike itself.
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And the first 750 having a smaller gearbox sproket
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I knew there was more to it than chains snapping, thanks Bryan.
Because of the small sprocket the chain would bunch up on the overrun, causing carnage.
Quite a few low number bikes that should have a sandcast engine don’t, as they were replaced under warranty with a later diecast one.