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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB650 => Topic started by: TvL on August 20, 2023, 08:50:31 AM
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Hi everyone, first post! This bike, cb650, has been in my family since I was at least 4 years old and now finally I have gone from the small child pillion passenger to being the 40 year old rider who passed his test two weeks ago. Having emigrated with the bike from the Netherlands in 1993 the dvla have the bike registered in 2007 as a 1981 model although the chassis is RC03e2005360 which at a google guess shows it as being 1979. Is 1979 correct and was the import registration flawed or is it in fact a 1981 bike? The DVLA and I would both like the V5 to be accurate and the plate to be from the year of manufacture hence the question
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Hi Tvl, welcome to the forum. Great pics old and new. Someone on here will stop by soon with the knowledge you require I’m sure.
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Love the time warp photos. 8) 8) 8)
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In my experience it is not unusual for a vehicles manufacturing date to differ by be as much as two years from the date of first registration due to being unsold new stock during that period.
I am not sure from the brief details you have given what country it was first registered in if it was the Netherlands then when imported to the UK DVLA would use the data from the foreign registration document.
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In my experience it is not unusual for a vehicles manufacturing date to differ by be as much as two years from the date of first registration due to being unsold new stock during that period.
I am not sure from the brief details you have given what country it was first registered in if it was the Netherlands then when imported to the UK DVLA would use the data from the foreign registration document.
Thanks for reply - yes that's possible although in the early 80s my father was already the 2nd owner. Yes the bike was first sold in The Netherlands. Going by the date of chassis/engine numbers the internet shows a 1979 manufacture which in speaking to the dvla is the year they want on an amended v5. I just don't want to get the dates wrong or trust google......LOL
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Do you know the source of your Google date information?
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Yep here it is
http://www.sohc4.com/cb550/cb650/
:D
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My only observation is that the frame number listings appear to show references to UK market magazines so presumably UK models.
The Netherlands may have had different versions but on the face of it I agree with your dating as it being a 1979 model. I have read somewhere that DVLA often add a year to dates. Looking at some of the details like the chrome trim to the airbox etc how does that compare with yours?
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I thought the earliest ones/ 1979 - had single disc/ wire wheels. But would need to dig around online a bit to check if that's the case.
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I thought the earliest ones/ 1979 - had single disc/ wire wheels. But would need to dig around online a bit to check if that's the case.
The link says black Comstar wheels, the bike in the picture has silver ones.
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Glad you got here, i would go the VJMC letter route for dating, DVLA seem to accept those as being accurate but be prepared as they may want to visit and physically check the numbers and want a complete bike
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Yep here it is
http://www.sohc4.com/cb550/cb650/
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The information is a USA link and will be for USA CB650's only and not the rest of the world.
If you look up CB750 K2 it will say that it was only sold in 1972. Yes, in the USA but, the rest of the world the CB750K2 was sold from 1972 to 1975 ;)
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Sorry just reread my post and to make it clear it is the dvla who may want to visit
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Hi and welcome to the forum😁 Those numbers on that site are for USA bikes I believe.My 1979 Canadian model CB650 untill July this year was registered on the V5 as manufactured 1984.DVLA told me that they would only take information on date of manufacture from the manufacturer and would not recognise any club dating services although I believe that is not so but you know what DVLA are like😂.I sent clear photographs of the frame and engine numbers to Honda U.K. and within a week for £35 sent me a dating letter which DVLA accepted and issued me a new V5. My bike doesn’t have a VIN plate but wasn’t a problem Google Honda U.K. vehicle year of manufacture service. Good luck and nice bike it should have twin discs and I reckon those Comstars are correct for an early 650 I think later ones had reverse black Comstars
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He has stated that the bike is from the Netherlands so, Honda UK will not have any info on it ;)
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He has stated that the bike is from the Netherlands so, Honda UK will not have any info on it ;)
My CB650 came from Canada and Honda U.K. dated it and gave me a dating certificate which DVLA accepted and gave me a new V5 and Historic vehicle status
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The Honda Owner Club in UK issue dating certificates that are accepted by DVLA. Andy Smith is the dating officer.
https://www.hoc.org.uk/classic-dating-service/
Personally, I've never know anyone to get info for an import from Honda UK, they don't even hold all the records for 1st registered UK bikes back in the 70's.
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He has stated that the bike is from the Netherlands so, Honda UK will not have any info on it ;)
My CB650 came from Canada and Honda U.K. dated it and gave me a dating certificate which DVLA accepted and gave me a new V5 and Historic vehicle status
Makes sense lets face it they are all imports from Japan so not surprised with computer records they may have access to the lot via Japan there is a lot of back conversion going on these days.
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I have had 2 us imports dated by Honda UK Julie but they dont do it now as they say it takes too long, they have to send to Japan and wait an answer.
Also, apparently, Honda Japan lost a lot of records in a fire so they only give year now
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They did my Canadian import in May this year in just under a week😎
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I have had 2 us imports dated by Honda UK Julie but they dont do it now as they say it takes too long, they have to send to Japan and wait an answer.
Also, apparently, Honda Japan lost a lot of records in a fire so they only give year now
I know Honda UK don't do it now, I think it's must be quite a few years back they stopped doing it for imports, I not sure when though.
Most people seem to get it done by Honda Owners Club, or VJMC, they can also issue certificates that are accepted by DVLA.
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This is a photocopy of my dating certificate from Honda U.K.
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Thats interesting, I wonder if Honda have been uploading or updating info to a computer system?
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It took less than a week for Honda to source the info but if the info wasn’t available a 6 week period was stated to get info from Japan it cost me £36 not £35 😁
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It took less than a week for Honda to source the info but if the info wasn’t available a 6 week period was stated to get info from Japan it cost me £36 not £35 😁
I think it great they were able to provide you with the info. £36 isn't that bad either.
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I was impressed with the service and also DVLA were no problem to deal with 😁
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Hi everyone, first post! This bike, cb650, has been in my family since I was at least 4 years old and now finally I have gone from the small child pillion passenger to being the 40 year old rider who passed his test two weeks ago. Having emigrated with the bike from the Netherlands in 1993 the dvla have the bike registered in 2007 as a 1981 model although the chassis is RC03e2005360 which at a google guess shows it as being 1979. Is 1979 correct and was the import registration flawed or is it in fact a 1981 bike? The DVLA and I would both like the V5 to be accurate and the plate to be from the year of manufacture hence the question
That Chassis number you are showing RC03e2005360 is an engine number
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Hi everyone, first post! This bike, cb650, has been in my family since I was at least 4 years old and now finally I have gone from the small child pillion passenger to being the 40 year old rider who passed his test two weeks ago. Having emigrated with the bike from the Netherlands in 1993 the dvla have the bike registered in 2007 as a 1981 model although the chassis is RC03e2005360 which at a google guess shows it as being 1979. Is 1979 correct and was the import registration flawed or is it in fact a 1981 bike? The DVLA and I would both like the V5 to be accurate and the plate to be from the year of manufacture hence the question
That Chassis number you are showing RC03e2005360 is an engine number
Yes that's right! Thanks I got my numbers mixed up. Attached is the chassis number. Following your advice I have now sent off the Y.O.M request to Honda in the hope that they can help sort it once and for all.
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Good luck and hope you have a good result like I did😁
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My request went in two days ago, first email back yesterday asking for VIN & Engine number pics, second email back today saying 'yes' they had the info and that they would send me a letter subject to payment of £36. I have now paid this and expect a letter in the post very soon. This will settle the age of my bike and allow a quick cross reference against the info the DVLA hold and corrections to be made if required.
So far I can honestly say this is the simplest and most efficient service I have EVER experienced from any company. Will post an update once I receive it through the post.
T:-)
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Yes I found the service given by Honda U.K. very good.You have DVLA to deal with next 😬 Not the most reliable service to use but in my case I got the result I wanted after few weeks.
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Remember whatever you send to dvla for proof you dont get back so make quality copies
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Bryanj is right you won’t get any documents you send to DVLA back
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Thanks all for your wonderful guidance and support. Pleased to announce that following a little bit of a wait from Honda and the Post Office I now have definitive proof that my bike was manufactured on the 27th October 1978. BOOM, so happy. This will allow me to re-register to black and white plates with the DVLA.
So not a 1981 model at all but a cb650z 78.
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Great news, well done. DVLA changing their mind on the use of black and white plates if registered as Historic has caught a lot of people out.
For anyone else that reads this thread, here's the important update.
"Due to a correction made by the DVLA on 1st January 2021, vehicles constructed after 1st January 1980 are not allowed to display a traditional number plate, i.e., with white, silver or grey characters on a black plate. This applies even if the vehicle is over 40 years old and recorded in the DVLA’s ‘historic vehicles’ tax class".
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Thanks all for your wonderful guidance and support. Pleased to announce that following a little bit of a wait from Honda and the Post Office I now have definitive proof that my bike was manufactured on the 27th October 1978. BOOM, so happy. This will allow me to re-register to black and white plates with the DVLA.
So not a 1981 model at all but a cb650z 78.
I am not against the change in the law regarding the fitting of black & white number plates on historic vehicles but its not really consistant with the original legislation that was introduced on the first of August 1973.
From 1/8/73 all new vehicles registered in the UK had to display the familiar reflective type number plates - I changed hundreds of used car plates back in 1973 when I worked part time in the car trade - from black & white to reflective as it somehow made older used cars look more modern. The legislation was not retrospective but you could fit more modern reflective plates if you wanted to.
My 400 is an S registration so I have fitted reflective plates amongst other reasons for safety - for the purists it should not display black & white ones as that was never road legal in 1978 so if you are doing a concourse restoration they should not really be B&W as that does not honestly reflect the period when the bike was new.
My 500 is a K plate so I have black & white plates (not fitted as yet) as that is consistent with the legislation in 1972 when it was first registered so I am period correct.
Enjoy the old fashioned B&W look now that they have eased the regulations but that is not period appropriate imho.............ready for blast off. :P :P :P
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Yes I’m kind of with you Ted on this matter. I have seen some vehicles with inappropriate plates and it dosent look right in my opinion. For instance I have a B&w plate on the 750 which is a 73 bike although I did swither between the two types, but I would never have a notion to put a B&w plate on my 78 550.
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And you still see b&w plates on nearly new vehicles.
Glad for the info though, didnt know dvla had changed their mindagain, if they had one in the first place!
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Both my K reg and my L reg came with yellow/black plates from new.
I retro fitted them with black and silver reverse engraved Perspex plates, never liked the all metal plates, they bent too easily and they were hard to keep clean. Perspex just wipes clean. Plus the metal plates sometimes lost a letter or number, it just fell out for some reason.
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The problem with Perspex plates is how easily they can delaminate as water rises between the layers due to capillary action. Not a problem for me as I avoid rain.
The quality of modern alloy pressed plates either B&W or reflective varies somewhat. I used to make up number plates in the days when you used a jig and hand punched the plates using clips that were pressed onto the letters. I must have made up hundreds of pairs of plates circa 1963-1973 when I worked part time in the Stores Department. I would end up with a blister in the centre of my palm from using the clip tool at weekends.
That has jogged my memory on fitting heater kits in new Vauxhalls.
The heater kit would be in the boot of all but the Deluxe versions that came factory fitted on old FB Victor's. Orded as a an extra was factory supplied but dealer fitted.
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My 48 year old reverse engraved plate on the K reg still looks great, maybe because I presume they are constructed differently..
Next time I see it I'll take a pic of it and show it here.
My L reg has a brand new plate, which was REALLY expensive to buy. Can't vouch for that.
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For starters the Aluminium was much thicker then.
On new alloy plates the plate is so thin that if its mounted on a front bumper with a slight curve the letters start to fall off.
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Both my K reg and my L reg came with yellow/black plates from new.
I retro fitted them with black and silver reverse engraved Perspex plates, never liked the all metal plates, they bent too easily and they were hard to keep clean. Perspex just wipes clean. Plus the metal plates sometimes lost a letter or number, it just fell out for some reason.
Aye,
your absolutely correct 'Perspex just wipes clean', yet the current fashion in the UK seems to be Perspex plates with raised digits that don't 'just wipe clean'!
Seems not very practical for an all weather daily drive.
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Reverse engraved plates are completely flat. So winner winner.