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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: Woodside on September 08, 2014, 01:28:59 PM
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We all like photos so here's a few of my new 400 four. 10,000 miles from new with one previous owner
The ace bars were apparently put on from new ...?
I kinda like it as is its all very original and the more I look the more it seems untouched? But I am no expert ...I'll get some more close ups soon....
The exhaust had a hole in it at the bottom of the collector. I welded it up for now it will never be seen .....do,they all go here ...i could just about get my 3 fingers in the hole. Is it worth putting a small 4mm ish drain hole under there to let the nasty build up out?
Currently trying to get the brake calliper arm pivot out.....after the best part of 20 years stood up
And what about that back box....very practical???
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Quite an early one and a good base to start as it seems all there and unmolested.
That collector box won't last - sorry. Once they get to that stage they're not long for this world. The rack is a very useful (and hard to find) addition, but that box is fugly in the extreme.
As for the pivot pin - lots and lots of heat, and then you should be able to knock it out. I haven't found one yet that is immune to Assault By Blowlamp.
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Agree the collector box is screwed ..but I figure it will buy me some time..I will keep a look out for another one ..the rest of the pipes are sound...
Pivot pin is in for an assault soon ....I forgot how stubborn they can be...
The best thing about the top box. Other than its removable ..was that the original tool box holder complete with tools were stored in there...
I even have one of those real expensive cable retaining clips that brought you into this sohc site
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I love looking at the pics on other threads so here's some more...
I might look at putting some standard bars back on but I'm sure ill need some more parts ..fork ears etc? As the light has been extended into the fairing
Any one got anything useful kicking around?
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Oil looking good :P
Can't tell if you have the clutch cable guide and whether the engine passes the "Simon" test of ever having been apart before.
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I assume you mean this guide .?
If so its a yes...
Doesn't look like its been to bits but like I say I'm no expert
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Looks a VERY complete bike.... well done. All those 'little' bits in place; she'll scrub up nicely.
Enjoy...
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Yup
That's all its going to get a real good clean up...after all this is how it should look after 40ish years....(plus it will keep the costs down)
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I assume you mean this guide .?
If so its a yes...
Doesn't look like its been to bits but like I say I'm no expert
Ah, no - it's failed the test!!
Should be like this : http://www.sohc.co.uk/index.php/topic,4940.msg23402.html#msg23402
but yes - it is a nice example. Have fun with it
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Ahhhh I don't want to fail any tests....like I say I really am no expert....but I did just look in the honda shop manual.page 110 v1 service data part 6 routing (Which by the way was in that hideous top box too) and the clip is clearly mounted on the coil bracket and not the top of the engine ,....
Please don't shoot me down to quick ...if I am wrong..and I don't really want to get in a disagreement....as all information is greatly recieved
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Nice early example , not many around like yours.
That workshop manual graphic isn't too clear where the clutch cable guide attaches.... the breather cover RH rear bolt retains it... the guide has a folded edge I think? to locate it against the cover.
All the 400/4's I remember working on had it fixed there from new. Anorakish I know !
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I have always known 45467-329-000 to be connected to the coils. The whole point in this cable guide is to keep it away from the heat of the engine. Have seen one in the states on the breather bolt and wondered why.
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I just noticed you still have the elusive harness strap that hooks onto the frame in front of the Left coil.
Many restorers would pay good money for one of those..... I used a couple of wide cable ties to improvise !
Rear sprocket must be the original ... cover plate is on my list of bits to find.
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Hi Clem,
'That elusive little strap' was quite easy to find as I remember, and NOS / £19+ postage (you gotta be keen).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=bertrum4572&hash=item4609178909&item=300800248073&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&_osacat=0&_ipg=25&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xcb400&_nkw=cb400&_sacat=0
Last work on my bike was de-riveting the sprocket guard, restoring, & re-fixing to a new sprocket. Glad to have that, never see them for sale anywhere.
And I'm beginning to thing the clutch cable guide does indeed attach to the coils... the folded locating tab doesn't quite make sense / orientate nicely when using the breather bolt.
Furthermore, the parts diagram "suggests" as Trig reckons...
Tom... I HOPE you've not been giving me duff info on this; I'll have been riding a bike with a clip in the wrong place!!! Sacre bleu!
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Apologies to everyone I never meant to turn this fun loving banter strewn forum into a rivet counting and anal perfection hunting owners club
.... more akin to the norton owners club???
I will admit the clip does appear to. give a straighter route when connected to the engine but as trigger says why would you have a clip to keep a cable away from the engine strapped directly to it
..and the ally tab does make sense on the coil bracket...
Is it possible that a mechanic while doing the pdi check or even during a service thought he had a better idea than Mr Honda and moved the clip and quite honestly no one was the wiser?
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When doing a PDI you barely had time to scratch your arse never mind outthink mr Honda mate!!
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Ah OK - the original manual must be right. That said, I got my bike when it had only 1800 miles on it. I suspect it was like that from the factory. May be I should move it ::)
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I can see the sense for the cable guide ring being secured horizontally if the cable is re-routed over the coils to give a bigger arc.
Mr Honda liked to put all the cables through that front chromed clip which seems to confirm the position of the rear guide on the engine breather cover - the guide's rubber sleeve and clearance from the engine ensures cable survival I would think. The coils get a tougher time !
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I've only ever seen that cable loop attached to the top of the cam cover, at least on bikes that I know have never been molested.
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Just got in from work and after reading this discussion. Apart from thinking I should have called this thread "where does the clutch cable bracket go".. I had a good look at mine and then had a really good look at the diagram again and have blown it right up.....
First off it looks pretty at home on the coil bracket.
But more interestingly after blowing the diagram up to doesnt really apearr to be fixed to anything...so perhaps this is where the confusion is ...that it was completely open to interpretation ???
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Hi trigg
Did you get the pm
As the site does not seem to save sent Pm's in sent message folder (Steve is this correct)
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Two things about PMs:
1. The forum default is not to save sent messages in the "Sent Messages" folder. You have to set this in your forum profile under Personal Messaging (don't worry - I just set yours for you...)
2. If you reply to the email notification (you know, the email that says "Do not reply to this email"), it won't go anywhere. I got sick of receiving them and decided to let the server dump them.
Now, the "Save a copy in my outbox" checkbox should be ticked by default and you have a record of everything you've sent.
I have never known the forum "not send" a PM - if you think they are not getting through, check the above.
Steve
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Thanks Steve your a star
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Yep, i got your PM ;) And i did send one back.
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Now he bloody tells us !
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Sorry Steve. Just got off a flight from the IOM.
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Like I say it looks quite t home on the coils
Sorry about the real close up but I had to reduce it so much to get past the what's it's name that counts the pixels / mega bites do dah
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I've upped the limit from 400k to 1Mb (per attachment)
4Mb total per post
If you can't fit your picture in 1Mb then we don't want to see it! (much)
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The workshop illustration shows the cable guide being quite distant from the rearward coil bolt. Must be attached to a cover bolt?
;)
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PLEASE: Someone put a end to this ;D
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Trig.... LOOK AWAY... (sorry!!)
Methinks I'll be leaving my routing via the breather cover bolt.... it does look 'less tortuous'..
Over & out on this one for me..
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Sorry that I'm late to this thread.
Just to say that the bike looks a nice one from here and to ask: is that old tool box called 'Airflow' or some such and manufactured in the North West of England?
Your image has pricked an old memory of helping a mate to fit one circa 1978... drilling holes in the fibre glass bottom to fit the bike rack, etc! I'm sure this memory for me is old hat to most forumista but couldn't resist tapping out this thought.
Cheers, D.
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Hi drew
There is no makers name on the box that I can see....it could quite possibly be called aiflow
the lid has a kind of duck tail spoiler moulded on to it...
And it's probably big enough to fit to crash helmet in...
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Lobo, I have spoke to a few 400 guru's worldwide on were this cable eye goes. I can not get a straight answer from anyone. Someone did say that it may be down to the country and model but, i can never remember having a engine in with one fitted. Maybe we will never know.
Nice paint on the engine Lobo :)
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Hi drew I have just looked at the log book the original owner who brought it from new was a Mr Fox from Nr Telford
This ties in nicely with the dealers sticker on the tank.....
Date of first registration was 16/09/75
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Apologies about (still) going on about the guide... ::) I didn't notice your clutch cable wasn't going through the "priceless" guide clip, which if it does makes the breather cover the only place for it. Plus I'm absolutely convinced mine is as per the factory.
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Cheers Trig...
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Tom no problem here....but I have to agree your route certainly seems the better and is most definately smoother..
I honestly believe now that it is the correct route...
But I also believe there are more than a few early bikes with the guide up higher on the coil....I just can't see that it would've been moved on so many bikes by more than one person ...just to cause this much confusion so it must have been placed there at factory/ dealers...
Perhaps I should start a new thread on how to tell if my bikes standard?
Also can anyone tell me when the bike would've been manufactured I have the first reg date and it would be nice to know how early it is...
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If you have numbers from 1007700 to 1073400 this will mean it is one of the first UK bikes.
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10470xx
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Yep, one of the first UK 400.
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Nice one cheers trigger...
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Good ole Trig told yer all diamond geezer listen to him and no piss take
Cheers
Bitsa
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Bitsa, he has a very nice 400 and he somehow beat me too it. Sometimes it is not what you know but, how you know. I have 6 people on my list for a restored one of those.
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Trig
been the story of my life its never what you know but can count for something its always who you know and they know FA that seems to count
Cheers
Bitsa
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Thanks W.
Nice to have lovely old labels and such like to add patina or whatever to our projects, eh?
Cheers, D.
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There's still the supplying dealer sticker on the side panel of mine. Well, remnants of, but still legible. I love this sort of thing.
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Tonight I thought I better make a bit of headway on the 400....progress was halted abit by the ramp being needed by the 450....
I have took the gopping top box of and removed the fairing a while ago....i have since picked up some original bars....the ace bars are growing on me so I will leave them for now.
Whilst all the front brake is of I thought I would remove the wheel and give it a clean and pop a new tyre on at the same time...the disc nuts still have what I belive is the factory yellow paint on the end
Is this correct
I also just started to give it a bit of a clean and came across this little split end tube thing
I think it is part number 17358-374-000. Tube assembly drain? (jesus I'm turning into a 400 nerd)
Now these must get slung probably not replaced especially with the split end cap on it.....
So apart from the ace bars I don't reckon this has been apart ( let's not get into the clutch guide thing)
What do you guys think. And what else should I look for as to back this up
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Pics here
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Tonight I thought I better make a bit of headway on the 400....progress was halted abit by the ramp being needed by the 450....
I have took the gopping top box of and removed the fairing a while ago....i have since picked up some original bars....the ace bars are growing on me so I will leave them for now.
Whilst all the front brake is of I thought I would remove the wheel and give it a clean and pop a new tyre on at the same time...the disc nuts still have what I belive is the factory yellow paint on the end
Is this correct
I also just started to give it a bit of a clean and came across this little split end tube thing
I think it is part number 17358-374-000. Tube assembly drain? (jesus I'm turning into a 400 nerd)
Now these must get slung probably not replaced especially with the split end cap on it.....
So apart from the ace bars I don't reckon this has been apart ( let's not get into the clutch guide thing)
What do you guys think. And what else should I look for as to back this up
What are you worried about. It is a good bike at a good price. If you want to pass it on i will give you what you payed for it ;) ;) ;)
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Trigg not worried at all. I'm just curious as to how much has survived...as I'm cleaning all the grime and filth from it it really intrigues me? That rubber cap looked like a lump of grease and crap built up...
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Sell it to me and i can be intrigued ;)
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Depends how much you want to be intrigued?
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Lovely bike...
The yellow paint on the disc nuts is pukka... it does look very clean for approaching 40 yrs - but then the whole bike does!
You'll likely also have yellow paint on the front brake hose junction / switch just under the headlight, and dabs too on each carb lifter adjuster nut.
On each carb air screw you should have a little plastic cap.... these quickly 'disappear' and are hard to replace.
The original chain contained a split link.
I'm not sure about doing away with the 'split' hose piece. It's there for a reason, and until corrected, I'd say to stop oil (from the breather) dumping onto the back wheel... ie its a maintenance type action where you squeeze it occasionally & drain any oil / grunge build up in a controlled manner.
As a final comment, is there any date stamps on the tyres? If they are original, you might consider keeping them (assuming you plan to keep the bike original) as later on, refitted with these tyres it will likely enhance any resale value.
Simon.
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Yep, one of the first UK 400.
Mine is 1044xxx registered on 27/8/75 .... is this an early one Trig? Pillion rests on the swinging arm.
I bought it in 10/85 and it had had 7 former keepers! it's reg is MBR so guess its from around Sunderland way originally (bought from Cowies possibly).
Cheers .. AshD
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104 engine numbers are the early ones, yes.
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Coming back (late) to this thread... my frame is 1044150, first registered 15/8/75 and I'm the 10th owner. Seems like it must be an early one like yours. Nice to also discover it's first owners were in the Manchester area where I come from. It might have even visited the same pubs that I did. And now here we are 're-united' in the south west.... aaaww!
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Something very satisfying about a real clean wheel and a new boot....
And also for future reference there is paint on brake rod arm
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And I have the plastic caps...
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I have some of those plastic caps.