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General => New Member Introductions => Topic started by: Eddie Kirby on September 24, 2019, 01:52:01 PM

Title: CB77E
Post by: Eddie Kirby on September 24, 2019, 01:52:01 PM
Gday guys, joined your site earlier this week. Main reason I guess to obtain help and information with different builds.
Question I have now and help required is the Honda sealing nut on the 1965 CB77E. Part No/ 90241 259 000 (See picture attached.)
I bought this bike as a basket case (real basket case!!!) I have most of the engine rebuilt but this I am struggling with
All sand blasting and glass blasting done, all apinting completed, new tyres, wheels in frame. Just the engine now.
I guess when I find the answer it will be so obvious.
Look forward to responses.

Many thanks
Eddie Kirby

ps. yet to start my second basket case CB400 4.
     Me and basket cases, must be some connection here!!!
Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: Nurse Julie on September 24, 2019, 02:08:27 PM
Hi and welcome. Quite a few forum members live in Oz and at least two I can think of that live in Perth have a 400/4's.
Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: philward on September 24, 2019, 03:20:13 PM
Welcome Eddie - hope you get sorted with CB77 advice. No shortage of experts on the 400 when you get that started. Enjoy the forum!
Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: Moorey on September 24, 2019, 03:32:33 PM
Welcome to the forum and have fun. Are you a member of https://www.hondatwins.net/forums/forum.php
Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: hairygit on September 24, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
Hi Eddie and welcome. What exactly are you asking about that nut? Where to get one?
Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 24, 2019, 04:20:04 PM
Hi & welcome

If you are looking for a source  of part

https://www.cmsnl.com/products/nut-6-mm_90241259000/#.XYow4C5KiUl

or David Silver https://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/by-part-number/partnumber_90241259000/

If you need Service Manual or Parts manual

CB77 Service Manual:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vs8c1fke3tcohpv/honda-shop-manual-CB77-superhawk.pdf?dl=0

CB77 Parts Manual

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bwa12mrrriberq6/partslist_cb77_170513_0708.pdf?dl=0

CB72/77 Green v 2 Parts Book
https://www.dropbox.com/s/92db91hr189sazi/CB72_77%20Parts%20Book_2.pdf?dl=0


also if I am not shot down in flames on here for mentioning it,  :D the CB72/77 Facebook Forum  is an excellent place to get advice. My mate Graham Curtis is a real guru on CB72/77's and is bound to reply if you ask on there. Also 'Mr Honda USA' Bill Silver is a regular contributor on there.

For your 400/4 when you get round to it:

CB400F PARTS

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u51uf0p1dv6m29q/Honda%20CB400%20F%20Parts%20Manual.pdf?dl=0

CB400F PARTS USA Searchable

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j0hysqub5jsfg46/400-4%20Part%20List%201975%20searcheable.pdf?dl=0


CB350/400F SHOP MANUAL WORKSHOP

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1n3w5433jkph228/350F%20400F%20_4%20Shop%20Manual.pdf?dl=0

CB350F Parts Manual

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7pieydvznvy7nhp/CB350_F_F1%20Full.pdf?dl=0

CB400F DEALER SETUP INSTRUCTIONS .. RARE !!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewl1d9td0nhxeya/CB400_set-up_man.pdf?dl=0



Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: the-chauffeur on September 24, 2019, 10:50:23 PM

I'm guessing the OP is probably asking the same questions I found myself asking - what's the point of/reason behind the special nut that appears to be used on the underside of the C/CA/CB/CL77 crankcase, where exactly does it fit and why's there only one of them?

If you look at the left hand side of the engine with the cover off, you'll see an opening for an oil galley on the bottom edge.  This is an image of the left side bottom case half (upside down); the galley opening I'm talking about is the elongated D shape:

(https://images.cmsnl.com/img/products/crankcase-lower_bigOC-0001.3843-01_56c2.jpg)

Directly above it is a hole for one of the large case studs and to the left of that (in this image) is a hole for one of the smaller case studs.  The nut - together with a sealing (copper) washer - goes on that stud.  The reason it's there is to prevent leaks from the oil galley, and there's only one because there's only one stud that goes directly through an oil galley.

As anyone familiar with those engines knows, they were over-engineered because they were made at a time when Honda was getting to grips with moving to new markets (America in particular) and refining its industrial manufacturing processes.  Rather than take chances with oil leaks, Honda took a belt-and-braces approach with the sealing washer and cap nut.  And if you look at later bikes, it subsequently redesigned the engine cases in such a way that they didn't have any studs penetrating lower cases, eliminating the need for special parts.

Hope that helps - and welcome.
Title: Re: CB77E
Post by: AshimotoK0 on September 25, 2019, 01:43:48 PM

I'm guessing the OP is probably asking the same questions I found myself asking - what's the point of/reason behind the special nut that appears to be used on the underside of the C/CA/CB/CL77 crankcase, where exactly does it fit and why's there only one of them?


Spot on explanation. My '64 CB72 engine I have farmed out to Graham Curtis to rebuild for me and the last CB72 engine I rebuilt was in 1974 ! I asked Graham and he said "It's just a tall, blind M6 nut with an aluminium washer. It fits on the stud that goes through the oil gallery."
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