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Misc / Open / Re: USE OF BUS LANES
« Last post by taysidedragon on Today at 01:08:57 PM »
Done. 👍
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 The argument for the Hondaman hybrid system is there is virtually no arcing at the points making them last 10s of thousands of
 miles with no maintenance only the odd lube of the felt now and then. If there is a fault on the electronics it can be reverted back
 to the standard system at the side of the road in a couple of minutes. I still run the original system but would go for the
 Hondaman if going electronic.
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Misc / Open / Re: USE OF BUS LANES
« Last post by Athame57 on Today at 12:45:41 PM »
These scooters are a menace, they are not interested in biking at all, they are a means to earn money with little outlay.
I know for a damn fact many are also on benefits too!
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I agree with K2-K6 on his comments, when I eventually get my 500 running I will use the CB points system as I know it ran on them just fine.
Probably after a few hundred miles I will fit my electronic system that I sourced from Bryan.

Part of me says a hybrid system is neither fish nor flesh so like most things it's down to personal choice.
I suspect I have often made up my mind then seek out answeres to confirm my already held biased views.
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Update:  I ended up going back to the USA before continuing with this "project."  While there I came across a complete points plate/advance unit in a garage sale for 10 USD!  I checked the condensers  with a real capacitor tester (not a multimeter) and they show good as far as capacitance and voltage.  Points are original ND and look essentially unused.

Now I'm back in the UK eyeing these parts wondering whether I REALLY want to install the OEM system or just leave the perfectly functioning DSS EI in place.  Logic/common sense would dictate leaving the EI; but I have this NON-common sense urge to have the points in there...

I haven't awakened the 400 yet from it's winter slumber - been too cold/wet for me but hope to do that sometime this week.  It's probably not often that someone has a perfectly running machine and intentionally changes something that may make it less so and I can't think of any operational advantage that the points would provide!   Yes, they will provide a spark with less voltage than EI but I haven't seen any case with my 400 where low voltage is an issue.  ::)   So more thinking...

I'd be inclined to keep the fitted DS system to run it, bag the original and store to see if there's need later on.

I doesn't look to me that you could tell the difference between the two from running perspective, conditional on the points system working as it should when new. But ultimately it will wear more during use.

It is hard (seems common across many points system in different manufacturers) to get condensers that would fully support competent running now. Many complaints across different forum etc.
If youve bought that good set and want them as backup longer term,  running the DS system appears sensible. More personal decision than any real practical choice, with either being fine in running the engine.
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The "Hondaman" units,  along with some others, use the points to trigger with electronic load switching of coils to give hybrid system.

Boyer uses all electronic, triggering, advance/retard (deletes std mechanism) with internal curve determination, multi spark at low rpm, control of dwell independent of crank speed etc .... essentially a full change to most automated into that unit of most system on offer.
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Misc / Open / Re: USE OF BUS LANES
« Last post by Laverda Dave on Today at 11:41:09 AM »

I think if they had the freedom of the bus lane, some of the questionable bike driving would not be necessary.  Hopefully my other fear of cyclists being more exposed by motorbikes would be addressed by all us 2 wheelers being aware of our own vulnerability??
As far as I've ever known since I returned to biking six years ago we are allowed in the bus lanes. The scooter delivery riders are mostly food express or worse, but certainly more law abiding than the average cyclist who seems to think the law is advisory only.
I rode as a realdespatch rider in the 1980-90s before technology broke the industry. Our mission was not very compatible with the law  ;)

9/10 of the delivery scooter riders in London do not carry business insurance required by law if a vehicle is being used for business purposes. Therefore if you get hit by one of these idiots you are on your own. As for law abiding, no way. I was out walking a couple of weeks ago when I came across the road being dug up and a three way traffic light system was in operation. Two scooter riders could be bothered to wait and rode up on the pavement coming past me at 20-30mph. They ride around using their phones and disregard any road signs frequently riding in cycle lanes. The like of Deliveroo allow a scooter riders to have an account with them with up to 10 substitute riders on the same account. It is up to the account holder to check the substitutes have insurance and a licence etc, Deliveroo don't want to know as the rider is classed as self employed. This is where the illegals are finding easy work and this government allows it to go unchecked. The mayor of London bleating on about safer streets etc but he does nothing about this but turns a blind eye. I went to a neighborhood watch meeting two weeks ago and a number of women spoke up saying how they have ordered takeaways from Deliveroo and specifically asked for a female to deliver it, and the app shows the female rider but when it turns up it is delivered by a male.
These scooters are a menace, they are not interested in biking at all, they are a means to earn money with little outlay.
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Misc / Open / Re: BUSSO CEASING TRADING
« Last post by Bryanj on Today at 11:36:32 AM »
A lot of us people will not be happy as they are waiting for 750 units
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Misc / Open / Re: USE OF BUS LANES
« Last post by Athame57 on Today at 11:21:16 AM »

I think if they had the freedom of the bus lane, some of the questionable bike driving would not be necessary.  Hopefully my other fear of cyclists being more exposed by motorbikes would be addressed by all us 2 wheelers being aware of our own vulnerability??
As far as I've ever known since I returned to biking six years ago we are allowed in the bus lanes. The scooter delivery riders are mostly food express or worse, but certainly more law abiding than the average cyclist who seems to think the law is advisory only.
I rode as a realdespatch rider in the 1980-90s before technology broke the industry. Our mission was not very compatible with the law  ;)
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The only advantage I can see but would not use is that often a CB issue can be fixed at the roadside.

An electronic ignition system (I have one fitted) is a bit like a light bulb it either works or it's blown, not much in the middle assuming the connections are all good to the unit.

My experience on cars is that they are many times more reliable than CB points as well as staying 'in tune' so as to speak even though cars have a different spark supply arrangements.

The Boyer system is probably the best of both worlds in some ways as it retains the CB points iirc.
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