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SOHC.co.uk Forums => CB350/400 => Topic started by: paul G on February 13, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
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Hi all,
I think it was Bitsa who was talking about Diesel motor oil for the SOHC bikes a few weeks ago.
The brand in question was the Tesco own brand, I cannot get hold of this at any of my local stores.
The question is will any decent brand 10/40W MINERAL diesel oil be ok I have found a couple on the net with free delivery.
How about this one Triple QX 10/40W mineral diesel motor oil.
Regards,
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Paul
It was not me but Bryan.I use the local 20/50 stuff you get here seems to be ok no clutch slip etc.Some will say to heavy but as I only ride it in the summer and most of it is in the middle 30s
Cheers
Bitsa
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I tried 20W50 halfords classic but I personally got lots of clutch slip with it. So I switched to Halfords 15W40 Mineral Oil (Blue bottle) and it seems good to me
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I've used the Triple QX 10w40 semi synthetic on a couple of bikes with no clutch issues whatsoever - they deliver free as well
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoils/10w40-engine-oil/?521776011&0&cc5_245
Kevin
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Wow thats a good price i might get some of that
pete
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Cheers
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I've used the Triple QX 10w40 semi synthetic on a couple of bikes with no clutch issues whatsoever - they deliver free as well
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoils/10w40-engine-oil/?521776011&0&cc5_245
Kevin
just bought some,now waiting for a dry day to do an oil change
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I dream of having to do an oil change!
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Are we talking oil for running in or post run in?
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No difference
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Really?! Personally I'd not like to run a bike long term on oil that was suitable for running in. Likewise I'd not like to run in a bike on oil that offers superb wear resistance as you want the bores, rings, pins and shells to wear to match each other.
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Just use a decent 10(15)w40 for both and do changes at 500, 1500 thaen every 1500 (or annualy).
If its running all original Honda parts they are built as if they are run in anyway and just need bedding down, the first oil change is to remove any floating cr*p that was in the crankcases
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I bought 2 5L Triple QX10/40 £16 each. Will change oil on both in the spring. :)
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Dare I mention you should only use motorcycle specific engine oil in bikes? :) It's designed for use with wet clutches, but more importantly contains molecules that withstand the mashing from the wet gearbox :-X.
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Lynx,
That's why you use the diesel one as this is the same with the mashing from the turbo etc.
If you look back through the threads you will see one where Bryan has gone into it giving the spec of the Tesco diesel being the correct one.
Regards,
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Good tip 😉.
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When I used to work in a factory, every Friday I took my 550four and my mate took his CM200 over to some waste ground, removed the sump plugs, dumped the oil and put fresh oil in meant for the fork lift trucks. Happy days.
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Love it Mike :D but the green peace brigade would have you over now ;)
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for those that want to use the diesel oil,
this looks good
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoils/10w40-engine-oil/?521776151&0&cc5_245
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John,
Thats the one I have just got. I saw it at the beginning of this thread so posted asking the question because I cannot find any of the Tesco one for love nor money.
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The one i found is :
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoils/15w40-engine-oil/?521776111&0&cc5_246&gclid=Cj0KEQiAjZGnBRCOuJOUo9Xd0sUBEiQAPbicNy_BBRxkoxtQjK4yFVax_5ldGFunkUY8yMQXZ-ut0WUaAgze8P8HAQ
Or a little bit cheaper
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triple-QX-15W40-Diesel-Mineral-Engine-Oil-5-Litre-/300919199439?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item46102e96cf#ht_2527wt_995
Or if you want a few years worth even cheaper
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10w-40-Multi-Fleet-Petrol-Diesel-Truck-Car-Mineral-Based-Engine-Oil-20Ltr-/301233659197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4622ecdd3d#ht_1142wt_990
I still use the last of a drum of Silkolene transfleet 15w-40 for which i think the replacement is:-
http://www.fuchslubricants.com/engine-oils-commercial-vehicle-titan-universal-hd-sae-15w-40
Is that enough so i can go to bed now!!
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Brian,
Bed at 10.40 I hope you have been on nights !! ;)
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Worked nights for best part of 25 years now mate but had to stay up to argue with HMRC as they pissed about with my tax codes for no reason---even admitted they could not understand why. As to the "new" phone system---lets go back to carrier pidgeons!! As a hint to all on here if you need to get through the garbage tell it you have a coding notice problem, seems quickest way to a human
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Bit like every goverment office now then :)
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Did you find anything interesting Paul ?
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Not yet Trigger but I have backed off a bit on the looking stakes.
I will be having some surgery on a prolapsed disc end of March so just biding my time until then unless anything really interesting crops up.
Did bid on a Kawasaki S1C but wasn't paying over the odds, the guy with the F2 never came back.
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Not yet Trigger but I have backed off a bit on the looking stakes.
I will be having some surgery on a prolapsed disc end of March so just biding my time until then unless anything really interesting crops up.
Did bid on a Kawasaki S1C but wasn't paying over the odds, the guy with the F2 never came back.
Paul, i think your bid of £99 was a bit too low mate ;D
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Will you stop spreading roumers >:( people will be thinking I'm rich.
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Will you stop spreading roumers >:( people will be thinking I'm rich.
You should be rich Paul with the money you have had of me ;)
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I bought a 10p mix for the grandson with that :)
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I bought a 10p mix for the grandson with that :)
I did advise you to set up a trust fund with that dosh ;D But, no you blow it on sweets.
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Paul
What rumours mate we all know about the rich bit ;) ;)
Cheers
Bitsa
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Trigger and Bitsa double
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That's so funny, I have a totally different image in my head of the terrible twosome ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Julie,
Which one is which !! ;D come on everyone let's have your thoughts.
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This is the image I have...........and I don't care who's who :P :P :P
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Julie,
Which one is which !! ;D come on everyone let's have your thoughts.
Well, this one even has the Nurse in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pAE1sBqlM
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Julie,
Never in a million years.
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(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01578/likelylads_1578242c.jpg)
Trigger is on the right
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Julie,
Never in a million years.
Oh well, I can keep dreaming I suppose. Shame though ;D ;D ;D
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Julie,
Never in a million years.
No. Rocks are far too big
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Julie,
Never in a million years.
No. Rocks are far too big
Stop making me laugh so much, I'm supposed to be going to sleep ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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he wants some "O" s
and four candles !!!
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No four Candles !
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Your getting oh so close but great laughs
Cheers
Bitsa
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Your getting oh so close but great laughs
Cheers
Bitsa
I don't know about you mate but, i am totally shocked that someone has this picture of us. This could cause a candle being out in the public eye ;D ;D ;D
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Trig
Yeah good in it? ;)Julie you are my best friend never looked like that but I am a canny Jack though!!!!!
Cheers
Bitsa
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Iam going down to euro car in a while parts to pick up my 2x 5lt of oil , at a bargin price of 33.98, hope it dont make my clutch slip ::)
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Picked mine up Wednesday not changed it yet though Pete.
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for those that want to use the diesel oil,
this looks good
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/engineoils/10w40-engine-oil/?521776151&0&cc5_245
OK... this is semi synth... but it would mean I could run the same oil in the 400 and the VFR. What does SF, SG and SJ and such mean and do we still think this oil is OK for the old Hondas?
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Here you go Tom
http://www.oilspecifications.org/api_eolcs.php
Mick
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Any feedback on this one ?
Cheers
Dennis
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Any feedback on this one ?
Cheers
Dennis
Well I'm going to order some after the mrs paid £11.99 for a litre of 10w40 semi synth at tesco yesterday for my Honda 90 :'(
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I have used Viscol 10w-40 semi synthetic from Home Bargains (£9.95 for 4.5L) in a few of my bikes with no problems. In fact my Honda Deauville was run up to 72k, 35K of that on this oil and it sounded sweet as a nut before I wrote it off! Apparantly this oil is a Rock Oil product and if you do a search you will find a motorcyle version that looks identical to this spec, but a more than double the price for 4L!
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Looks like a lot of the oils mentioned are no longer available, so the choice seems to be
Halfords 15W40 Mineral Petrol & Diesel Oil 5L
Triple QX Premium 10w40 Part Semi Synthetic Engine Oil 5L
or
ROCK OILS VISCOL 10W-40 SEMI SYNTHETIC CAR ENGINE OIL
Cheers
Dennis
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I got 10L of Triple QX Premium 10w40 Part Semi Synthetic Engine Oil. Will try it in 400F and VFR and update when I have....
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Can I have the last word on this one...........for a while at least ;D ;D ;D. I have put 10/40 semi synthetic in my 400 this time. Definately no clutch slip.
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What brand / type Julie?
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Motorex 10W/40 semi symthetic four stroke
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Halfords do a own brand bike specific 10w40 semi too.
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Can I have the last word on this one...........for a while at least ;D ;D ;D. I have put 10/40 semi synthetic in my 400 this time. Definately no clutch slip.
Porkys, your clutch was slipping but, it was down to the adjustment ;D ;D ;D
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Yes Graham, your right, it was my naff cable adjustment that gave me a slipping clutch, nothing to do with the oil though ::) ::) ::)
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In the end I went for Halfords 15W40 Mineral Petrol & Diesel Oil.
Cheers
Dennis
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I found a new oil but i never tried it: Fuchs Silkolene.
They got also a classic line for vintage bikes called Silkolube 20W50. http://www.fuchslubricants.com/silkolube-20w-50
What do you think about it? Anyone used it?
Now i am using Motul mineral 20W50 with some ZDDP aditive.
The is also from Motul the Classic Car linehttp://motul.speclube.com/products/all-products/classic-oil-20w50-2l/.
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I.ve used Silkolene Transfleet 15w40 for years, its exactly the spec that Honda wanted---even if it is a "Fleet" diesel oil
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I have just serviced all my bikes with Fuchs as I got it cheap through my brother. :) I don't know what was in my cg125 but the clutch was slipping so bad I thought it was toast. Silkolube 20w50 fixed it instantly it has also made the 750 a little quieter at tick over.I have also put Fuchs Titan 10w60 car oil in my Guzzi as its a lot cheaper than the bike equivalent.The sales rep were my brother works told me you don't actually get specific car,bike,Diesel or petrol oils they print it on the cans to gain customer confidence.As long as you use an oil of the right grade or better than you wont have any problems.
Mick
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Opie oils (http://www.opieoils.co.uk/) can be decent for getting specialist oils, they do pretty much everything tbh.
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Semi Synthetic lasts longer but it must be at least JASO MA spec for wet clutch use. Use supermarket mineral oil for the first few hundred miles of running in.
http://www.saisei-europe.com/Shop/Products/c/service-items/p/motorex-motorcycle-oil-4t-1040-4lt1
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I always use this stuff which is on offer with free delivery - Never had a problem.
http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/cp4l/p/accessories-engine-oil/engine-oils/engine-oil/10w40-engine-oil/?521776011&0&cc5_245&utm_source=bm23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=BUY+NOW&utm_content=24+HOURS+ONLY+%7C+Huge+Savings+on+Best+Selling+Oil%27s&utm_campaign=September02+-+Oil&_bta_tid=3.h3A.CaeQug.Ew_L.AfJ0RA..Aw2wWw.b..s.Ah0n.a.VebkwA.VebkwA.A0Sjfw
Kevin
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Once Iv finished restoring my bike I was going to use 10/40 semi for a couple of standing heat cycles as it's quite a thin oil to flush out any crap before filling with the correct oil for normal riding.
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Once Iv finished restoring my bike I was going to use 10/40 semi for a couple of standing heat cycles as it's quite a thin oil to flush out any crap before filling with the correct oil for normal riding.
you might want to consider a basic 10-40 mineral oil for running in,give the surfaces chance to mate and bed in,
alot of the new oils are to slippery,and will not let bores and rings bed in properly,causing poor compression and
high oil comsumption.
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I always use this stuff which is on offer with free delivery - Never had a problem.
http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/cp4l/p/accessories-engine-oil/engine-oils/engine-oil/10w40-engine-oil/?521776011&0&cc5_245&utm_source=bm23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=BUY+NOW&utm_content=24+HOURS+ONLY+%7C+Huge+Savings+on+Best+Selling+Oil%27s&utm_campaign=September02+-+Oil&_bta_tid=3.h3A.CaeQug.Ew_L.AfJ0RA..Aw2wWw.b..s.Ah0n.a.VebkwA.VebkwA.A0Sjfw
Kevin
The price probably says everything you need to know + car oil does not contain the friction modifiers needed for wet clutches
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Car oil is OK, as long as it is for turbo diesel engines. Diesel engines need the same spec for the turbo unit as we need it for the clutch and gears.
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I'm not disputing all your combined knowledge as I'm new to these particular bikes of this age. But I ran my 98 CBR600 on semi synthetic car engine oil for 4 years and many thousands of miles with no issues??
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That was a new honda not a geriatric one mate
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Lol. It was a used and abused one with 70,000miles on the clock
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Alright then "Modern" engineering not old style
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Valvoline 4T Motorcycle oil. Specifically for bikes and bloody good quality. I used to use Valvoline durablend 10/40 in my old GL1100.
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It is nice to see the great oil debate is still going ;D ;D ;D Mine comes in 20ltr drums and is bloody cheap ;)
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Only 20, thought it would be 205!!
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Only 20, thought it would be 205!!
Not worth it in 205 anymore mate. No loyalty in the trade anymore, as we talked about when we met.
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It is nice to see the great oil debate is still going ;D ;D ;D Mine comes in 20ltr drums and is bloody cheap ;)
Cheap 99p a ltr ;)
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It is nice to see the great oil debate is still going ;D ;D ;D Mine comes in 20ltr drums and is bloody cheap ;)
Cheap 99p a ltr ;)
Sounds expensive Paul ;D ;D ;D
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To those extolling the virtues of Tesco own brand oil......it is all made and bottled by Tetrosyl in Bury. As is Sainsburys oil and most other own brand oils. They make and market the Carlube range of oil.