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CB500/550 / Re: LED clock lights
« on: December 10, 2017, 08:36:16 AM »
Nice John
Did you find ones that fit in the existing holders or did you do some adaptation

Source would be a help

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CB500/550 / Re: Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 09, 2017, 11:15:57 PM »
Without those primary sprocket figures you can't be accurate,  but if you try and just extrapolate the difference for that tooth change on clutch drive ( the others say it uses the same primary chain) then I've got something like 3.183 total primary reduction for the 500.

Worth running that figure to see what you get perhaps.

If we assume the quoted primary reduction of 3.063 for the 550 is correct with 24 and 63 teeth on the clutch reduction then the primary chain reduction works out at 1.167 ((3.063*24)/63)

This then gives a total primary reduction for the 500 of (1.167*(64/23))=3.247

So finally in 5th gear and standard 17/34 sprocket set I get a total reduction of 3.247*0.9*2=5.845

So with my Avon 4.0/18 rear with a circumference of 82.9” giving 0.0013 miles per rear wheel rev I get (60000/5.845)*0.0013) miles per hour per 1000 rpm = 13.34 mph

So finally at 5000 rpm I get 5*13.34=66.7 mph

Feels about right to me

Conclusion

Without accurate data on the 500 primary chain reduction I make the total primary reduction for the 500 as 3.247 NOT the 2.0 stated in the Honda tech specs I have!!!!

And finally just for fun for the 550 in 5th with a total reduction of (3.063*0.9*2)=5.513 and using  same Avon tyres you get 14.148 mph per 1000 rpm i.e. 70.74 mph at 5,000


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CB500/550 / Re: Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 09, 2017, 04:41:31 PM »
The primary shaft gear, the very large one the primary chain runs on is the same for the 500 and 550, they share the same part number, the smaller one which sits inside the clutch casing is different, the 500 has a 23T gear and the 550 has a 24T gear. The 550 clutch basket has 63T but the 500 isn't shown in the parts book.

The 500 clutch basket has 64 teeth (just counted them on a spare I have) so what I am now missing is the number of teeth on the crank and the primary shaft where the primary chain runs.Anyone have these figures?

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CB500/550 / Re: Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 09, 2017, 08:50:27 AM »
Can anyone confirm the number of teeth on clutch basket and primary shaft?

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CB500/550 / Re: Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 09, 2017, 12:20:58 AM »
Sorry all but I think I am not explaining my problem clearly!!!

I am trying to calculate road speed vs rpm for the 500 four and somewhere I am missing something

I have Avon 400/18 rear tyre which has a circumference of 82.9 inches and there are 63360 inches in a mile, so 1 rev of rear wheel is 0.0013 miles

For the 500, spec is a 2.0 primary reduction and 5th gear is a 0.9 reduction and final drive is a 2 reduction assuming stock 17 and 34 teeth as per spec. This in 5th gives an overall reduction of 2x0.9x2 which equals 3.6 so 1000 rpm equates to 60,000 revolutions per hour or 60000/3.6 =16,667 rear wheel turns which is 16667x0.0013=21.67 miles

So this means 21.67 miles per hour for every 1000 rpm which gives 21.67 x 5=108 mph at 5000 rpm which is clearly nonsense as I know it’s more like 12 mph per 1000 rpm

I am missing something obvious I know but dont know what




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CB500/550 / Re: Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 08, 2017, 09:19:34 AM »
Sorry all I am still really confused

I am trying to calculate speed vs rpm for different wheel/ sprocket combinations and really confused

Is there a difference in the primary chain reduction between the 500 and 550 then.

Since both bikes have same gear ratios and very close final drive ratios (17/34 and 17/37) but hugely different primary reductions (2 for the 500 and 3.063 for the 550) I am missing something here in my calculations I can only assume therefore there is a difference in the primary chain reduction between the bikes but I have no data on what the primary chain reduction is in my tech specs




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CB500/550 / Re: Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 07, 2017, 08:40:44 AM »
Thanks Bryan
Now that’s interesting as I have been playing with the gear commander site www.gearcommander.com

If you load their data for HONDA CB500 all the gear ratios are right except the primary reduction

Change the primary reduction to 2 and the calcs show a speed of 196.5 at 9000

What the hell am I doing wrong

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CB500/550 / Primary drive reduction ratios
« on: December 07, 2017, 01:51:10 AM »
Been playing with some numbers but now confused.

The tech spec I have shows the primary reduction ratio as 2.0 for the 500 Four but 3.063 for the 550.

I thought they would be the same so I am a little confused

Can any 4 gurus shed any light on this?

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CB500/550 / Re: CB550 sprocket question
« on: December 07, 2017, 12:18:28 AM »
Go to www.gearingcommander.com

Great site will tell you all you need to know

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CB500/550 / Re: Boyer Ignition - Again
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:51:33 AM »
Jeez John wish i'd have known  would have saved me over £100  >:( >:(

Lesson learnt is ask on forum first before buying stuff as many of us have stuff lying around !!

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CB500/550 / 500 and 550 4s in Decembers Classic Bike Guife
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:44:12 AM »
Worth picking up a copy if you see one.

Not a bad article, features DS and sohc.net but NO MENTION of sohc.co.uk!!!! I feel a letter coming on  ;)

Also features a £7995 550 for sale at Fowlers Bristol (nice but overpriced IMO)

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CB500/550 / Re: CB500 - I feel like I'm revving the nuts off it!!!!!
« on: November 26, 2017, 01:01:01 AM »
Where are you in Cheshire?

Interested in meeting for a brew/run out sometime?

Pm me if interested

  I could be up for this,meet at The Raven cafe ,junction of A49 and A41 near Whitchurch for breakfast,up into north wales ,maybe visit
the Ponderosa cafe,run to Bala lake ,then ride home,
I did that a few months ago with some guys from the AircooledRD forum,great fun

Hi John sounds a good plan but maybe when weather improves I have hooked up with Geoff from Lymm who has a really nice K0 and we did a quick run out to Jodrell Bank last week

Let’s see if we can get 3 fours out together sometime in the spring

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CB500/550 / Re: Boyer with micro coils installation pic
« on: November 26, 2017, 12:57:30 AM »
Coils and unit are 218 inc vat and del direct from Boyer

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CB500/550 / Boyer with micro coils installation pic
« on: November 24, 2017, 12:15:16 AM »
Here it is all in place
I used 2 pieces of Al bar bolted to the original coil brackets and fitted the coils to these
The electronic box then fits snugly on top as shown

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CB500/550 / Re: CB500 Four Service Bulletins in One .pdf File
« on: November 17, 2017, 01:46:24 AM »
Ash
This explains the questions we had a while back about oil control rings I believe

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