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Other Stuff => Misc / Open => Topic started by: AshimotoK0 on September 29, 2014, 05:09:46 PM
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Got an email / PM from David at Saisei-Europe saying he can't order us any Yamiya /PMC seats because Honda UK have contacted him telling him he can't sell anything with the HONDA logo on (as was the case with David Silver). Bad for me but I really feel for the two 'David's' .
I have asked him to ask Yamiya/PMC if they can produce us a batch of seats/covers without the logo on.
Meanwhile I will contact Honda UK asking why they allow other countries to stock them but deny us Brits the right to purchase. Pretty sure it will fall on deaf ears but worth a try anyway. I have an article from the 90's which stated that even after the 15 year parts cut-off, Honda would make available the info to have parts made. Their excuse on the seat last time I contacted them was that a '300' middle number part was still available and the K0 seat was a superseded part. This was true as the K1 seat did indeed have a 300 middle number and fitted OK but that too has been discontinued, so they can't use that on me anymore.
GRrrr... >:( Will I ever get that K0 finished.
So what happened to this promise below
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Cheers ... AshD
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Why doesn't that surprise me.
Thought it was to good to be true.
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The big boy's playing games >:(
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F--ck Honda, i am going to sell all mine now and never will buy another Honda,
that has really pissed me off, F-cking arse wipes over there in Japan, i am going out to pick on someone small to vent my anger
pete
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F--ck Honda, i am going to sell all mine now and never will buy another Honda
Seems a bit extreme Pete........but does that mean I can have your Rickman? ;D
That said, I really despair of that sort of attitude.......I could understand it if it were modern or current production parts or even if there were issues with safety or quality.......but in this particular instance it's oem quality pattern parts for bikes that have been out of production for forty years.....it's just infuriating and frustrating and does Honda (Is this Honda Japan or Honda UK making a fuss?) no credit at all.
Mick.
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Still can't see why Yamiya can't be persuaded to produce some less logo. After all they never have any stock anyway and seem to make them in 'dribs and drabs' to special order.
Have a really nice seat I made from a new K1 seat that doesn't look 100% in the seat contour profile, that I was about to bung on eBay because I was getting the Yamiya one. Glad I hung fire now, a bird in the hand and all that !
Can just see Pete sitting there sticking little pins in a Hashimoto cartoon character style doll :D (see my Avatar)
Cheers ... Ash
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Pete
Is your middle name rodney?Can understand fully been saying things like this along if it sells f in make it if you dont like others copying it.I mean Japans in the shit crunch too.
Cheers
Bitsa
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F--ck Honda, i am going to sell all mine now and never will buy another Honda
Seems a bit extreme Pete........but does that mean I can have your Rickman? ;D
That said, I really despair of that sort of attitude.......I could understand it if it were modern or current production parts or even if there were issues with safety or quality.......but in this particular instance it's oem quality pattern parts for bikes that have been out of production for forty years.....it's just infuriating and frustrating and does Honda (Is this Honda Japan or Honda UK making a fuss?) no credit at all.
Mick.
Yes a bit extreme maybe, i have had a very bad day, went to work my van blew up, leaving me right in the shit, then one of my bikes broke down, then i went to the bank and found i am skint, to add to all this i think i need to see a doctor as i am feeling really depressed lately, i am only just hanging on to sanity at the moment, i want to feel normal again, every little bit of bad news like the honda seat thing just adds stress which i normally wouldnt give a toss about
I might have to sell both my rickmans the z1 and the cb version so watch this space
pete
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Feel for you Pete been there done that I once got through 4 vans in one year and no bikes on the road at the time.
That's the not so fun unpredictable life of a painter
Mick
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Jesus deep breaths Pete.....will all come good honest...
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*onda are just not consistent on this, they seen to pick and choose who to bully! when you consider the amount of stuff on the net
I recently bought a seat cover for my CD 175 restoration from a popular 'ebay' vendor. He has plenty stock with the *onda logo.
Alan
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I suspect it's the case of those who ask 'officially' for permission get hammered and those who fly under the radar get away with it. Very annoying of Honda...
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Keep your pecker up Pete and don't let it depress you, been there and it's not a nice place to be. You're amongst a good set of mates on here even though we are all at far flung parts of the UK and we all admire your restoration threads immensely. Just think of that Sandcast and K0 finished and gleaming in your garage and a nice little nest egg. We are always at the end of the phone if you ever need to chat.
Cheers .. Ash
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I know how you feel Pete, I too have had a couple of bad years and am still unsure if I can afford to keep my bikes, they help me to keep sane so hope I will be able to. Don't let the bastards grind you down!
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Keep your pecker up Pete and don't let it depress you, been there and it's not a nice place to be. You're amongst a good set of mates on here even though we are all at far flung parts of the UK and we all admire your restoration threads immensely. Just think of that Sandcast and K0 finished and gleaming in your garage and a nice little nest egg. We are always at the end of the phone if you ever need to chat.
Cheers .. Ash
Second that - Pete give me a buzz if you want a chat...
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OK, why don't you order the seat pan and the foam, then get a seat cover from the UK and put it together. I have shipped pan's from the states, foam from Germany and covers from the UK. It is only a seat ;)
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OK, why don't you order the seat pan and the foam, then get a seat cover from the UK and put it together. I have shipped pan's from the states, foam from Germany and covers from the UK. It is only a seat ;)
You just cannot get a seat cover that's a patch on the quality and originality of the Yamiya seat cover Trig.
Cheers .. Ash
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Keep your pecker up Pete and don't let it depress you, been there and it's not a nice place to be. You're amongst a good set of mates on here even though we are all at far flung parts of the UK and we all admire your restoration threads immensely. Just think of that Sandcast and K0 finished and gleaming in your garage and a nice little nest egg. We are always at the end of the phone if you ever need to chat.
Cheers .. Ash
Thanks guys for looking out for me, I didnt mean to take this thread off course with my problems, but all the same its great to no were a close bunch of like minded nutters, i am sure i will turn my negative situation around in time, please dont think i have gone crazy over a seat, its a multitude of things which have brought me to a vulnerable state,
pete
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With Ash on that one mate get them regular.Get pissed go out next day and f em all soon come round.Keep on going mate
Cheers
Bitsa
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Ash, so why can i order one Yamiya Direct? > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1969-1970-HONDA-CB750-K0-SEAT-ASSY-DUCK-TAIL-SANDCAST-NEW-T161-/141422536388
This is confusing ???
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Hey trigg with postage and import duties the red foam seat is about £800 from yamiya
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Ash, so why can i order one Yamiya Direct? > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1969-1970-HONDA-CB750-K0-SEAT-ASSY-DUCK-TAIL-SANDCAST-NEW-T161-/141422536388
This is confusing ???
That's not the same seat Trig, it does not have the red foam and is much cheaper. Plus Pete is correct about the import duty hike etc.
Cheers Ash
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Pete, i use this system and it has never been that far out> http://www.dutycalculator.com/new-import-duty-and-tax-calculation/saved_calculations/view_details/189171513/
Works out at £507 but, parcel force will highjack it and add another £8.
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How many ducktail seats are about?
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Well I emailed Yamiya via eBay to see if they will sell a version without a logo. Dunno if I will get a reply. Can only try !!
Cheers ... Ash
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How many ducktail seats are about?
There are urethane foam versions and red 'Dunlopillo' style rubber foams plus high and low versions specific to the Sandcast version. I am told that the Yamiya metal pans are based on an early sandcast pattern and not truly correct for the K0. The new Honda K1 pan I used for my seat was much closer to the correct pan for my UK K0 apart from one m6 tapped hole extra but my cover was made specially for me by Bob at Morretti but is still not as nice as the Yamiya one.
Obsession kicking in again GRRR. + wife yelling me to watch Cilla ::) :-[
Cheers ... Ash
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BUT, they still have the HONDA logo on them. I ordered one about 6 months ago and now they are $40 cheaper.
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Pete
Lots of us have been there or have someone close that has. This forum does so much more than just the bikes. It can do this too I'll be bound so if it helps, reach out this way and we're all here...
BTW did you ever go to see that PRR near Heathrow we corresponded about?
Cheers
Tom
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Thanks Tom , no i never got to see the bike , the guy seemed keen to sell,but after talking about the bike he gave me the impression that he was sitting on a really rare bike that was worth a fortune, when i said what a bike in that state was probably worth he stopped answering my texts , i was not going to persue it, as it sounded like a pile of rust, all i wanted was some spares from it, however i do have a PRR in pieces unfortunately i will probably be ebaying it this winter to ease my cash flow
pete
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Thanks Tom , no i never got to see the bike , the guy seemed keen to sell,but after talking about the bike he gave me the impression that he was sitting on a really rare bike that was worth a fortune, when i said what a bike in that state was probably worth he stopped answering my texts , i was not going to persue it, as it sounded like a pile of rust, all i wanted was some spares from it, however i do have a PRR in pieces unfortunately i will probably be ebaying it this winter to ease my cash flow
pete
What's a PRR ?
Cheers .. AshD
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Got this back from Yamiya .. Not good news !!
Dear yamiya750,
Hi, Honda UK are preventing selling this seat in the UK because of the logo
and delivery / Tax / duty is making the price expensive for UK. Would you
consider making RED foam seat WITHOUT logo for UK please .
Kind regards
. Ashimoto
-honda_four_rider
Dear honda_four_rider,
Thank you for your email.
We've gotten the same request as you from some
customers from UK.
However, we need at least 50 seats order to manufacture
the special seat which doesn't have "Honda" logo due to the minimum order
quantity for the factory.
Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for
your kind understanding for this.
-yamiya750
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Thanks Tom , no i never got to see the bike , the guy seemed keen to sell,but after talking about the bike he gave me the impression that he was sitting on a really rare bike that was worth a fortune, when i said what a bike in that state was probably worth he stopped answering my texts , i was not going to persue it, as it sounded like a pile of rust, all i wanted was some spares from it, however i do have a PRR in pieces unfortunately i will probably be ebaying it this winter to ease my cash flow
pete
What's a PRR ?
Cheers .. AshD
Phil Read Replica. Pete you are spot on. It's a pile of rust in his garden outside a lockup. Ivy is growing around it. And yes he thinks it's still worth something. He'd get more if he broke it for spares. Nearby for me so worth seeing, but not for you.
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I'd have thought it would be perfectly possible to offer stencil kits - a plastic card template and a spray can....
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I cannot understand Hondas stance on this - a lot of owners of modern bikes also have classic examples of the marque. It will ultimately loose them some sales of new bikes as buyers get disillusioned - they need to take a look at the competition, Bmw still support pretty well every machine they built, owneres often have a 70's bike and on the strength of that buy a new machine costing over 10k. Ultimately discontinued factory support allied to an agessive attitude to aftermarket support will eventually translate to faster devaluation of their bikes at a time when Chinese copies are eating their market share - a matter of time before the bigger bikes face the same scenario as rebel 125 and 250 et al. Plenty of customers wanting the parts for the older machines and willing to pay for genuine prices. If they cannot get genuine the poor quality pattern parts will do nothing good for Hondas current solid reputation.
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A few months ago I bought a look-a-like K0 seat for my CB1100A from www.japan.webike.co.uk (you may have to google 'webike/japan' to hit the site.
Anyhow, just checked the site they have a large range of CB750 parts including 3 No. K0 manufactured seats with the Honda logo! They look good to me, but I'm no expert.
FREE p/p if you spend over £300.00. My seat was delivered within 5 days, I had to pay the vat & Royal mail fee. I would certainly order from 'webike' again.
Alan
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Love the look of your 1100 seat Al...
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Thanks James, big improvement (comfort & looks) on the original Honda seat
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honda replica spares could ruin hondas quality reputation,but parts from quality sources such as Yamiya appear to be approved
to wear the coveted logo,
I personally dont like the Honda stance on this,
I think they should support their history and heritage by allowing quality parts to be manufactured to keep classic Hondas running,and
looking at there best,
if they are refusing to allow parts to display the logo over a quality issue,surely some sort of compromise can be sorted,
the other thought,is much worse,they want to finish the use of old classic bikes,because they,Honda no longer make any money from
them !!!
about 10 years ago ,Honda racing was really arrogant,they believed there bike,the RC212v5 was all that was needed to win,
forcing V,Rossi to go to Yamaha,the history show they were WRONG !!
Honda is not invincible,
hopefully an understanding can be reached,
LOL sorry for the rant !!
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This was my attempt to create a CB750K0 seat from a new K1 one ( hence the Genuine Honda '300' part stamping on the base) but the cover contour is just not right... obsession again ::)
Cheers ... AshD
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Looks bloody good to me Ash would anyone know
Mick
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Looks bloody good to me Ash would anyone know
Mick
I would, Pete would, James would and Kettle738 definitely would! The proper article is a thing of sheer beauty. That German guy who bought the new K1 cover from me must have thought all his Birthdays had come at once :D
Look at the attached of the restored press bike and you will see what I mean![attachimg=1]
Cheers .. Ash
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Fair enough they are quit different
I thought they went like that with age
Mick
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Fair enough they are quit different
I thought they went like that with age
Mick
Yes Mick point taken and you are correct but the original seat had a hard insert in the 'ducktail' bit, which made it more pronounced and there was a definite step down profile, which my efforts did not really achieve.
Not so bothered about 'red' foam though, and wonder what the non-red foam seat is like that PMC and Yamiya sells as it is significantly cheaper.
Cheers ... ash
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This was my attempt at making a ducktail seat for my K0, it has the proper honda base aftermarket foam and yamiya cover, the trouble is the foam makes it look to puffy, so i am going to take it back apart and shave the foam, then it should look quite good ( I hope)
Pete
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Pete
Dont know not seen one up close but it does look a bit crinkley was that the look then?
Cheers
Bitsa
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To most people your seat and mine would be spot on OK but to the more discerning among us the cover/profile isn't quite right. I suspect your cover is the same as mine from Moretti in Newent 'BobTheSeat on eBay. It's also the same cover that DSS sells. I asked and paid Bob to put more padding in the quilting in mine to try to better replicate the original but it's still not right. Not blaming Bob though, he did his best but I suspect Yamiya have access to the original patterns/materials. The 'crinkles' look OK to me Bitsa. KP told me he has seen a Yamiya wrinkle K0 repro tank and the wrinkles are almost perfect copy of the original so I suspect, once again, they have access to the original tooling for this too and also the double-cut fender.
Cheers ... Ash
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Here's photo of my first CB750, the seat is quite wrinkly and the bike did not have many miles on it.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z244/DennisMcc/Bikes%20that%20I%20have%20owned/COI3922_1.jpg)
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Here's photo of my first CB750, the seat is quite wrinkly and the bike did not have many miles on it.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z244/DennisMcc/Bikes%20that%20I%20have%20owned/COI3922_1.jpg)
Wow bet you wish you'd kept hold of that spitfire...
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Love it. CLASSIC at its best :)
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Have you ever tried tracing the bike to where it is den
pete
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Ash and Pete, both your seats look like they need a harder more structured top layer of foam to get the shape of those originals, which appear almost flat with almost no deformation of the foam by pulling the cover down tight to fix it to the base. The original seems to have quite a small radius in the foam where the seat turns from vertical face to the flat seat area.
I was in a foam shop years ago and they used a band saw with the blade having the teeth ground off it to make a knife edge which sliced and shaped foam so easily, also they used electric carving knives to do freehand shaping.
If I was going to have a go at producing that original shape I'd use something like a 50mm high density foam as the top layer on top of a softer base to give the "squash" needed to make it something like any good to use.
Ash, the extra foam you had sewn into the cover seems to be compressed from beneath which you maybe wouldn't get with a higher density top layer and could help preserve that quilted look that I think is quite prominent on the originals.
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K2-K6 thanks for the advice.. spot on info .. I am not so sure Bob-the-seat actually padded the quiting out any more than he normally does, but he did agree too and I was charged extra for it. Resigned myself that some things you can never get perfect and still hoping to get a Yamiya seat by some devious method. It's my little treat to myself ;) Shame really as I have a lot tied into that seat, what with having to buy a complete new genuine Honda K1 seat in order to make it up :'( .
Cheers ... Ash
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To most people your seat and mine would be spot on OK but to the more discerning among us the cover/profile isn't quite right. I suspect your cover is the same as mine from Moretti in Newent 'BobTheSeat on eBay. It's also the same cover that DSS sells. I asked and paid Bob to put more padding in the quilting in mine to try to better replicate the original but it's still not right. Not blaming Bob though, he did his best but I suspect Yamiya have access to the original patterns/materials. The 'crinkles' look OK to me Bitsa. KP told me he has seen a Yamiya wrinkle K0 repro tank and the wrinkles are almost perfect copy of the original so I suspect, once again, they have access to the original tooling for this too and also the double-cut fender.
Cheers ... Ash
Ash, my cover is the very expensive yamiya one the picyures dont really show the cover in its true light, i will take an electric knife and flatten off the to layer and see how it turns out, i will post up on my progress, this is the k0 seat , like yourself i will somehow get a decent yamiya red foam seat for the sandcast , there is no way i am paying 800 + pounds for one though ,
Nigel as usual your observations and advise are spot on
pete
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Kettle 738 has the full Yamiya red foam seat, will ask him to post a pic on here. Sorry for mistaking your cover Pete :-[, the secret may be in the Yamiya foam. I know that Moretti's foam is nothing like the original in shape (which is what I used ).
Asked ChrisR about the Yamiya seat and he says he has not seen the non-red foam one in the flesh but understands that they have the same cover, which is mentioned on Yamiya's site too. Evidently the metal pan profile that Yamiya produce it a copy of the pan from the first 400 sandcasts not K0 and my K1 pan is closer to the original. I have heard of people using a non-red foam and putting a thin layer of red 'Dunopillo' rubber foam between the pan and the foam to give the apperance of a red foam seat, when viewed from the bottom.. Cheating I know :-[
Cheers ... AshD
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Have you ever tried tracing the bike to where it is den
pete
Hi guys, and yes I wish that I still had that one,. I was seduced by the slim side panels, chrome headlamp brackets and flashy dash of the CB750K2 and traded it away, the K2 was probably my worst idea it was dull compared to the old bike. It was replaced by a K1 which I converted to 900cc. And no I have never tried to trace the bike, it was pretty distinctive with it's Irish registration, a friend of mine bought it from Bill Smith motors and I used to see it regularly until a few years later.
Cheers
Den
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Love that B&W photo Den and by the looks of the back tyre it was the original so not many miles.
Interesting story of the K0 compared to the K2 from someone who had one 'back in the day'.
Cheers... AshD
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Managed to dig out my Jan '70 K0 at lunchtime to take some photos of the seat.
Beware the bike hasn't been detailed yet - in fact I don't believe its been cleaned at all in the past 10 years and is as it arrived with me. Cleaning / detailing / re-comissioning it is going to be a winter treat for me. Have resisted the temptation to start whilst I finish off a couple of other projects.
Anyway, as far as I'm aware the bike has never been restored and it shows - here are some shots of the seat from various angles.
I'll start a new thread at some point when I start the recommissioning process.
Hope this helps the k0 restoration squad - at some point I'll do a proper photo shoot with the bike with my DSLR and stick the photos on a share for reference.
Cheers, James
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Looks really nice and unmolested James, what's the mileage & VIN ?
Looks like yellow foam seat or maybe just faded red. Wonder when they changed to yellow?
Cheers .. AshD
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Hi Ash.
It's VIN cb750-1025059 and engine cb750e-1025338.
Haven't inspected the color of the foam in detail - pretty sure it's red in a couple of places but certainly not all-over.
Has a single cut front fender, recessed ignition, non wrinkle tank and interestingly no-number exhausts?? I was expecting HM300 stampings...
Will try and get some more photos up on a separate thread a bit later.
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Looks really good james, nice to get something that is essentially untouched with all those original detail parts intact.
Doing a bit of research on the seats and found these two pictures of original bike in 1969 with basically unused (or appears that way) seat that shows original profile.[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
These are in a Mick Woollett book covering a range of Hondas.
The seat profile seems to have no step at all before it gets used and a bit baggy, also the nose seems to rise quite a bit up the back of the tank.
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K2-K6 that's a pic of the pre-production 1969 'Brighton Show Bike' and the seat profile was different than the production bikes including the sandcasts. It was much flatter. I think Yamiya do do a flat profile seat in addition to the 'standard' one. It also had single pull linked carbs and a black stripe on the tank trim like the K1
Cheers ... Ash