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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 13, 2022, 01:00:07 PM »
So I have been busy with the sucker method... And I agree Oddjob, its pretty frustrating when the suction cup starts getting loose all the time, I will switch to the tap wrench soon, if I am not there yet.

However I am getting pretty good results already and I am just wondering what you all would do. Here's the situation:

I have been lapping with coarse compound and was able to get the biggest pock marks off the valves. The pock marks that I am having trouble with getting of are these ones (in the picture).

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Would you either:

1. go on lapping until these pock marks get off and the surface is smooth (I don't know how long that will take) and what the maximum is one should keep lapping valves.

2. do a test with water or gasoline in the valve area and see if it leaks--> when it doesn't leak, leave it like this

3. leave it like this --> it doesn't make that much of a difference

4. buy a new replacement valve as this has relative impact on engine performance

I'm wondering what you guys would do!

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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 10, 2022, 10:45:29 AM »
Hope someone can teach me on this. Is it true that some valves are special and are not supposed to be lapped and if you do, you will do more harm than good? Second question: what is it precisely, that causes valves to wear?

Additional question to this, what would make the valves special (do I have them?  ::) )

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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 10, 2022, 07:14:23 AM »
Thanks all for the advice!

I think I will starts soaking the valves in thinner or similar, clean them with scotchbrite and proceed with both the valve lapping pastes in the lapping procedure. Like you say Ted, I don’t mind spending time on a tedious job. That’s the reason I am in rebuilding this amazing bike anyway  ;D

Thanks,
Ruben

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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 09, 2022, 09:45:26 PM »

Do you mean re face?
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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 09, 2022, 08:48:37 PM »
Thanks for the advice!

The valves look like the seating are burnt. It is advisable to re- face the valves and re-grind the valve seats. Check the valve guide to valve stem clearances are within spec.
We find a good result de-coking valves by soaking in thinners for a day and wipe off.

@ Julie what is een-facing the valves?

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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 09, 2022, 06:44:02 PM »
To the best of my knowledge standard Honda valves have no "coating" although the tips may be stellite.
The valve seating area on the valve you show does look to be pockmarked and as these faces are not supposed to be machines only lapped you may have a problem getting a decent seal

Thanks for your quick thoughts Bryanj. I am not very worried for a bad seal as there where no problems (to my knowledge) with it before I opened up the engine. I still have to lap the valves with compound so that might also make it better.

Any advice on how to clean the valves/take of the carbon?

Cheers,
Ruben

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CB500/550 / Re: how to clean valves properly
« on: January 09, 2022, 06:34:46 PM »
Extra zoom in on the "scothbrited" valve on which I might have done some damage.
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CB500/550 / how to clean valves properly
« on: January 09, 2022, 06:31:32 PM »
Hi all,

After rebuilding and painting the engine to replace primary chain + rubbers, I am now at the stage of rebuilding and assembling the cilinder head.

I am planning to (lightly, they are in pretty good shape) lap the valves and replace the valve stem seals. I have bought the lapping compound and the suction cup tool and am looking forward to this job. Before starting on that though I want to properly clean the valves from carbon etc.
I have watched several videos on how to clean the valves and on that basis I started cleaning the first exhaust valve by spinning it in a cordless drill using a scotchbrite pad/brass brush to clean the valve (see picture for the result). After cleaning the first valve I had the feeling there was some sort of coating on the valve. My question;

- have I done irreparable damage to the first valve or can I still use it?
- what is the best way to proceed with the other valves?

Pictures:

1. engine in restoration proces ;D
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2. exhaust valves
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3. inlet valves
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Thanks!
Ruben

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CB500/550 / Re: Any idea where this part comes from?
« on: November 27, 2021, 02:51:54 PM »
Goes between crankcase and barrells, should be two, one ate each side and only fit one way up. Make sure they are clean.

NO silicone gasket goo anywhere


Thanks! After pulling the primary shaft out the other one fell out as well  ;D. All clear, thanks for the help!

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CB500/550 / Any idea where this part comes from?
« on: November 27, 2021, 10:44:11 AM »
Hi all,

I am in the middle of taking my bottom end apart to replace my primary chain + rubbers. Going smooth (so far), making notes and labeling parts, but (i think) after flipping the bottom end over to loosen the bottom case bolts I found something lying on my workbench. I couldn't find where the fiddly part comes from and the manual didn't mention it.

Is it some kind of oil jet?

The situation:
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The part:
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Anyone who recognises it?

Cheers,
Ruben


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New Member Introductions / Re: New Dutch SOHC member
« on: November 22, 2021, 10:06:40 PM »
Is the carb sprayed or just bead blasted?

If sprayed what colour is it called, looks very nice.

They are "wetblasted" I'm not sure if thats the proper English word for it, but sort of sandblasting combined with water. I also really like it but its not cheap; 4 carbs would be around 80-100 euro's

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New Member Introductions / Re: New Dutch SOHC member
« on: November 21, 2021, 04:50:30 PM »
Thanks for the warm welcome all!


If you change the primary chain(Kawasaki one exactly same and half Honda price) change the primary damper rubbers, there are 8 and not cheap but necessary

@Bryanj, thats is a very good tip! I was already looking at parts on this website: https://honda4parts.nl/product_info.php?products_id=40

Primary chain = 70 euro
Dampening rubber = 5 euro

Seems like good prices, is the Kawasaki one cheaper?

Thanks!
Ruben

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New Member Introductions / New Dutch SOHC member
« on: November 21, 2021, 11:06:46 AM »
Hi all,

My name is Ruben, I live in the Netherlands and am new to this forum. Last summer I bought a CB500 Four K0 after wanting one for a long time.
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I have customized a Honda CX500 before but this time I felt like working on a bike that was already beautiful stock, so I found myself one that needed some work to make it nice and stock again.
I have been busy for quite a bit already; rebuilt and wetblasted the carbs, rebuild and painted the front brake and started a top end rebuild to find out where some loud rattling noise at low RPM's. The latter problem will probably result in taking the bottom end apart as well to replace the primary chain.

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Enough work to do!

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