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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: July 14, 2021, 01:02:49 PM »
Now I know pods are a compromise and I’m ready to be wait until I get the right balance. I’m sure I’ll get there. It’s just a question of time

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: July 14, 2021, 12:56:26 PM »
So I also forgot to mention. My compression tester is a rubbish one. It doesn’t have a valve on the spark plug side  but on the gauge side. Meaning my compression reading should be a way higher with a proper tool.

Now I’ve done other engine rebuilds with this tool. And I always had a low reading with it. I never bothered changing my tester as the engines were running strong all the time after my rebuild.

About the pods. As I said previously, the previous owner discarded the airbox, bracket included so I didn’t have the choice really. I’m running K&N pods with oil on them. I run K&N filter on my africa twin and it’s spotless. I agree that velocity stack will knacker any engines. But pods are not supposed to if they are from a good brand

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: July 14, 2021, 11:19:45 AM »
So this CB has been rebored at +0.5mm with new pistons fitted, new valve seals, valve have been  lapped too. I’ve done a compression check and it has 145psi (everything is new I assume the compression will raise after the run-in period).

Hard to believe I have a leak somewhere. I had the valve play inspected by a specialist, he said it was ok.  Unless I forgot some lapping paste on a valve (I also cleaned everything with cotton buds and petrol) I doubt it’s possible I have any leak.

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: July 13, 2021, 11:59:12 PM »
I've ordered a repair kit for the CB350F carburettors. I rode it today and their is still a bit of smoke when hot so I guess I have to reduce some jet size somewhere!

It will arrive next week. Hopefully that will do the job. I'll keep you updated


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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: July 13, 2021, 04:17:26 PM »
Thanks for your reply guys.

I doubt any problem is coming from the engine as I rebuilt it and done all the test to make sure everything was working ok.

Now changing for #35 as a pilot could be a good idea. But I’m running pods which si seems very small, though those jets are #38 and might have worn out. That can be considered.

Also lambda sensors are definitely something I might start to consider too

Thanks
Tom

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: July 12, 2021, 11:09:23 PM »
Hello everyone,

After countless carbs disassembly and reassembly. I start to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I'll try to get through the process briefly :

1) I first went for pilot #42, main #98, 3rd clip position
2) Soot and smoke was building up, idle was hanging when up in the revs
3) Changed the spark plugs for DR8EA but it wasn't firing properly and flooding so back to the D7EA
3) Went for new O-ring (thanks Nurse Julie and Fogrider) for the mains and put back OEM needles and emulsion tubes
4) Very little difference but slight improvement in the riding qualty though still soot and black smoke and hanging idle
5) I measured how much petrol were in the bowl, between 50ml and 60ml (is that too much?)
6) I went for pilot #38, main #110 (I don't have any #105), 3rd clip position
7) Somehow some carbs started to leak petrol from the overflow massively and flood the pods (and so the engine)... taken them out to fix this...
7) NO MORE SMOKE! NO MORE HANGING IDLE!  ;D

It really starts to run well BUT it's struggle to take off when hot and sometimes stalls, I really have to rev it to take off. Once rolling it's fine. Basically low revs are bogging. It's idling fine though. If I wait at a red light and try to go it's really boggy like it's building up. I tried to play with the mixing screw but very little difference on this problem. I struggle to put it in Neutral so I guess carburetion is not quite there, yet!

Now here are my different thoughts :
1) Some carbs are still leaking very slightly from the overflow (like a drop or so but only when riding) and I kind of find a bit of petrol under some pods, if the level is too high in the bowl, could it flood the carbs? I don't have any smoke though but I tested late this evening maybe I didn't see it.
2) Clip position is too high so it's running too rich when accelerating
3) I need to go for #40 pilot jet
4) Get the DR8EA back on to see if it helps to fix this

Let me know what your thoughts are on this one,
Thanks

Tom


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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 21, 2021, 11:01:43 PM »
hey,

So I went from #38 idle jet to #42 as the idle was hanging a bit and I couldn't close more the mixing screw.

I didn't have the time to play too much with it but for now it looks promising. At 1.5 turn out it's running a bit lean/ hanging idle and at 1 turn I have some black smoke but no hanging. So the right balance is in between this 2.

It feels like full throttle is not very powerful, I'm still at #100 on the main jet. But I think 105 is a bit too much as I already have some black smoke. I never had a running CB550 in the past so I don't know how powerful those engines should be.

I might have some DR8EA plugs kicking around but no R plug caps. @deltarider are you saying that I can run regular caps with R plugs?

Also last thing, engine seems a bit noisy and also jumpy when decelerating - accelerating. Like the cam chain is a bit loose. My tensioner screw doesn't seem to function properly (it doesn't do the spring return effect). Some people are doing the cam chain tensioning while the engine is running, is that a good idea?

Thanks for your help, it's getting there!

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 17, 2021, 11:08:50 PM »
Hey guys,

So good news, no more smoke and no more hanging idle! Now the midrange were weak so I lifted the needle to 3rd position from top. This fixed the problem quite well.

Low revs are struggling to pick up so I believe I’ll need to play with the mixing screw (current idle jet at 40 and I’m still 1.5 turn out). But will do this tomorrow evening if I have the time.

Also from 3/4 to full throttle its really not picking up. I suppose I’ll need to change the main jet to 100 to try maybe 105 but I don’t want to cut corners.

It’s the first time I started to get some sensations on the bike and felt like it’s actually running! I could almost take it out like this. But I’ll take the time to have it running a bit better before I go for an actual ride.

Thanks a lot for your help @k2-k6 and @fogrider! Keep you updated


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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 17, 2021, 12:14:49 AM »
@robvangulik I didn’t try this yet.

@k2-k6 and @fogrider I started to reset the carbs after work as all this news got me really excited to try. I didn’t have the time to finish but hopefully I won’t get out of work tomorrow.

I’ll probably try a idle jet at 40 just to see

Keep you updated

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 16, 2021, 03:10:46 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to explain this @K2-K6

I think restarting to square  one is probably a good thing. Now I’d really like to buy an OEM needle as the aftermarket ones at troublesome apparently.

My current jetting is :
Main 110
Idle 42
Clip on the 3rd position from top

I still have the original ones so I can do this.

I’ve got D7 grades plugs so that should be ok on that side.

One last question, I didn’t apply any oil on the K&N pods. I believe applying so K&N pod oil might increase the resistance so I’ll probably do this too.

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 15, 2021, 08:23:45 PM »
I mean he removed the brackets on the frame

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 15, 2021, 08:18:29 PM »
@bryanj here are the electronic ignition that I’m running (not a Dyna S) https://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/CB550K3/part_192275/
I still have the points somewhere so I might give it a go.

I probably have some O rings kicking around so I can change those

I can’t try anything until this week end but yes definitely a hanging idle and black smoke is a mixed message. Now I’ve read somewhere that you can solve this by dropping the needles so can be worth the try.

Also I know it’s a complication but I can’t put the air box back as the previous owner discarded the air box

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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 15, 2021, 01:44:37 PM »
Hey guys,

Thanks for you answers. @fogrider, the main jets are new with new o-rings so should be ok on that side.

@k2-k6 I haven’t done this method for syncing the carbs so will get through it probably this week end. Now dropping the needle might be a solution. So far the mixing screw doesn’t seem to do much. I remember with the stock 38 idle jet it was already doing the hanging idle and black smoke.

Also I’m wondering if the electronic ignition can fail at all. I could almost ride that way at some point but it wouldn’t be enjoyable as too erratic. It kind of misfire now as I think the plugs are getting too sooty.


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CB500/550 / Re: Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 15, 2021, 01:01:34 AM »
I forgot to mention, I tried to run it with a standard idle jet and the needle a bit higher but none of this helped, it actually was worst. Also the symptoms were quite the same.

What is hard to understand for me is how I have such a soot which means running rich while my idle is hanging which mean lean?

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CB500/550 / Black smoke and hanging idle after a full rebuild
« on: June 15, 2021, 12:51:02 AM »
Hello everyone,

So I’m encountering some issues that starts to be beyond my league. I’m still quite inexperienced and this my very first full project. I’ll try to be as thorough as possible into my set up and problems as I know you’ll ask me a lot of questions if not  ;D ;D

Symptoms
- black smoke when accelerating
- Erratic idle (I have to play with the screw all the time to get it right)I can manage to keep it steady
- Low revs sputter and strong engine brake feeling
- mid/high revs quite ok but struggle to come back down
- engine run rougher when hot

Now about the bike

Model : CB550K3
Intake : Pods K&N (I bought this bike as an unfinished project and the air box was discarded already unfortunately!)
Exhaust : 4 into 2 with a short muffler
Carbs : 069A
Main jet : 110
Idle jet : 42
Needle : aftermarket (I’ve lost one OEM so can’t fit them but if anyone got a spare 273004 I’m happy to buy it)
Needle height : 3rd from top
Float height : 23mm
Mixing screw : 1.1/2 turns was looking like the best one

Top engine rebuilt with new pistons and rings, new valve seal, valves have been lapped

Ignition
I made a DIY LifePo4 battery that seems to run ok (though no BMS on it)
Electronic ignition from David Silver
Spark advanced system with the springs a bit retighened to make sure it comes back down.
Coils : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112789241229
Spark plug caps : NGK 5K ohm
Spark plugs : NGK D7EA

Sliders don’t seem to stick and it looks like they are coming back down ok. I’ve set up the slide heights with a drill bit, the synchroniser was looking ok even though the pressure is very low. Spark plugs are very sooty but dry.

It’s a full rebuild with a lot of mods so I believe it might take me some time to get there but your help would be very appreciated. Let me know what you guys think!

Thanks
Tom

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