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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 06, 2024, 11:24:43 PM »
Disappointing day on the Engine rebuild front. I had my cylinders bored at a local machinist and they over shot the clearances. I showed the guys the piston specs and left the paper with them in the box of pistons. I don’t think they bothered to read them. Piston/bore clearance should be .0025" but they came out at .0040 confirmed by another machinist.

I was suspicious of it when I dry fitted the piston without rings and it seemed looser than any other fresh piston I’ve installed. Im working on a solution, but I’m pretty frustrated and not sure how much luck I will have at getting the shop that ruined my cylinders to cough up a refund.

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 06, 2024, 04:55:47 PM »
Broke out the tiny paints for some details last night.

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 05, 2024, 06:39:40 AM »
Devcon is the bees knees of metal fillers and comes in different grades for different metals, used it in merchant navy, yes expensive but can be worth it for repairs on expensive bits,
Shocks, you are spending a fortune on the engine to increase power and torque but skimping on the parts to make it stay on the road, false economy in my humble opinion.
As to Ken being rude i disagree, he has made comments using his knowledge on the information at the time, e.g. the first plating post made did not say it was home brew and it did not look go for paid for or a "kit" finish but acceptable for home brew

I have plans of using all my leftovers and finishing that engine build some day to see if i  made a functional repair. 

Interesting take on the shocks, as I'm usually the one advising others on suspension! However these shocks were a noticeable upgrade to the stock units. Also I did just service them. I flushed them out and put fresh oil in them, they don't leak, so unless i move up to adjustable ikons, ohlins, etc i don't really see the point. I do fork services for all my bikes and a few friends as well, Except for nitrogen equiped shocks im pretty comfortable with suspension work.
 
I do a couple track days a year and own some modern very capable bikes, while i am eagerly looking forward to having fun on my old Cb750, it sure isn't the bike i will be dragging a knee on!

As for your last bit, ok thanks for your perspective, Ken like many of us has a lot of knowledge and experience.  It seems like some of our friction may have been a case of message not received due to method of delivery.



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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 04, 2024, 07:43:53 PM »
That Devcon putty looks like good stuff. Then I checked hte price for it and ...ouch. In the UK its roughly £100 for a 500g tub. they don;t seem to make it in a smaller size.

Yes its pretty specialized but it was cheaper here. Id gladly swap prices for what you folks can get electroplating kits for!

I originally purchased it to repair my k5 cases that were damaged some time in the past, i had a weeping oil leak near the final drive because the case halves didnt seal properly. I had damaged the ‘repair’ over the years trying to tighten down that area as seen, i made the repair, drilled and tapped and helicoiled that area but, a parts bike with an f2 engine came up for sale locally and i shelved that project for a later date and have been using the ‘new’ f2 engine as the base of my rebuild.


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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 04, 2024, 09:51:11 AM »
There have been previous discussions about potential problems applying paint over powder coating good to read that it can be done.
Did you use ordinary Cellulose rattle can  paint or something special like Acrylic?

It was suggested by my friend who did the powder coating, when the flaw showed up after the attempt to powder coat it. I used an Acrylic Enamel engine paint.

If it doesn’t hold up it’s a simple matter to strip it of and start from scratch.

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 04, 2024, 05:19:40 AM »
Bit more painting and “dry fitting” parts today.

My stator cover had some damage to it. I used a really great product from Devcon it’s an aluminum epoxy putty that is very hard and can be filed and even drilled and tapped. However it didn’t like the powder coat process much and I had to sand spot glaze and paint over the spot where the filler was used.


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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project
« on: February 03, 2024, 04:50:23 PM »
Ok folks,

Ive been on motorcycle forums for a long time, I also work in automotive parts sales, so i have fairly thick skin.

People join these forums for many reasons, most of us joined up because we needed help or parts or something like that.

Most of us stick around for the sense of community, getting to see other like minded individuals doing similar work. Get ideas or inspiration for their bikes.

Ive had Personal messages of support from other members who feel the same way, and some comments to that effect above. I am not glad for this, Im just saying im obviously not the only one who doesnt welcome how he is providing his feedback. On the other hand i had another member assure me Oddjob means well, but is very VERY detail oriented.

When it comes to critical component like brakes, or engine assembly things are pretty cut and dry, but when it comes to asethetics, theres such a huge range of personal opinion, satisfaction in the process, personal ability and cost.

To have people jump on your build thread and be critical of your efforts without offering solutions DOES NOT HELP, its AFTER THE FACT.

In regards to these shocks im hoping to get 1 or 2 seasons out of them, not another decade. They looked thrashed when i took them off the bike, and the broken preload collar was a really fun challenge to my minimal machining skills. The collars turned out well enough that it made the rest of the shocks look even worse so i gave the shocks a lick of paint… i have a good friend who powdercoated my shock springs, frame and lots of bits and pieces for free.  Does that sound like a waste of time to you?? If so, i dont need your input you’re not my kind of person. 

Do i care about concours restorations? no but i respect them for their skill and attention to period correct detail.

Do i like the modern brat bike plank seat look? No but good for them they’re out there wrenching and riding. Its not their fault i broke my hip and need a comfy seat!

Do i care about drag racers? Man bikes are for corners but those guys know how to make horsepower so i listen when they talk engines.

Built not Bought guys? Dude good on you if you can do it all, I know i cant and I'm glad to pay for nice results when the process is beyond me.

My point? There is a myriad of reasons to ride and wrench on these bikes, lets do our best to help people when they as or if it appears they might be doing unsafe or costly they dont realize, let offer solutions, lets acknowledge we have different visions, skillsets, piggy banks.

Is that too Snowflake of me? 
 

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 11:44:03 PM »
Crapped all over? I commented that it looked like it maybe hadn’t taken, you hadn’t explained you were using a home brew kit and the results were very different to the results we get in the Uk with better kits. You’d prefer not knowing? Fine.

As for the damper post, it was a comment on my experience on a using rattle can finish on damper bodies, more of a rant on how frustrating it is to see so much work turn out to be so disappointing. Maybe that helps someone helps to avoid the same mistake. But hey if you’re so sensitive that any comments not amounting to a pat in the back is unwelcome then that’s fine. I’ve said I won’t post anymore, even if at some point in the future you really do need some help or advise.

Well it doesn’t sound like I’m getting my point across so I will wish you well on your projects.  I hope it comes out to your satisfaction.
I hope for the well being of others or myself if there’s anything I or any one else shares that’s unsafe or dangerous practice that regardless of our opinions it’s commented on.

Best of luck,
 Grant.

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 08:53:12 PM »
How you got critical from my post I have no idea. It was meant to show how annoying it was to do all that work only to find it looking so bad within a short time.

I’ll refrain from trying to help in future.

Come on man, you crapped on my zinc plating and you wrote a paragraph explaining  “how my work will look worse than it did before…”

What good does writing a paragraph on shortfalls and pointlessness of  someone’s completed project “help”?

If I’m posting information or work that is unsafe or saying that this is how things should be done, I’m all ears to constructive criticism or feedback. But telling someone whose spend time and effort (and money, but not in this case) that their work is pointless is pretty poor form and does little to create a sense of community.

I didn’t seek advice on how to do something I was sharing the result of my efforts. You have no bloody idea how the springs had already started to corrode or how the paint was scuffed or the shock collars were stripped and broken. Or the fact that this was a stop gap measure and an exercise in learning some processes on my mill and lathe. Or that sometimes enjoyment is in the process more than the outcome.

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 06:40:53 PM »
The problem with repainting shocks is that not matter how careful you are it's never strong enough to withstand the adjusting process, the paint on the top of the lugs gets rubbed off as soon as you move the collars, then sometimes just the collar moving can rub the paint off underneath it, the springs can touch the body when they compress and that rubs paint off, they look great until you use them. Makes me mad as hell, all that work, all that time and they look worse than they did before within a few months, not to mention scratching the paint with the spring compressors, Jesus my blood pressure is going up just thinking about it.

Calming down now, they look really nice, and the collars are really well made. Well done.

I appreciate that your standards for finish are a lot higher than mine.
I have spent several thousands of dollars on the things that matter to me on this project:

Race ported head, new valves new valve seats and HD springs
Custom cam, adjustable cam sprocket
Big bore high compression pistons, cylinder boring HD studs
Carillo rods,
“New” engine cases/better transmission, HD primary chains, cam chain, all new cam and primary tensioners, new engine bearings, new hardware etc….

Next expenses:
New RS34 carbs
New Stainless Hindle exhaust

I’m content and more importantly, ENJOYING the process of what I’m doing with the refurbishment of the aesthetic parts of my bike! So if you have something critical to say, how about you reserve it to your bikes, and I will do the same regarding your project(s)

Cheers
Grant.

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 05:20:04 PM »
Black plastic tubing of the type used to keep golf clubs from rattling together, fitted perfectly over the body of my Commando rear shocks.
Prevents the springs from damaging the paint.

If your shockers adjust with a C spanner, then just lag it with a bit of cardboard before preloading the springs.

Hope that helps.

Skoti

Great tip cheers, I have some paint protection film in the garage in my haste to see how good things looked assembled I forgot I was going to apply to the shock bodies. I think I will give that a shot first. Yes I have a pin or C spanner for the preload. I actually filed and sanded its edge a bit to help prevent marring. I doubt I’ll change the preload from where it is though as it’s where I had it set before!


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Member 4 Sales / Re: Selling a Triumph Street Triple RS
« on: February 02, 2024, 04:54:26 PM »
Great bikes. My dad had one for a couple years. Sorry to hear about your mate, all the best with the sale!

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 03:38:20 PM »
They look well, subtle colours and not the obligatory chrome finish

Cheers. This refurb was more a test if I could make those preload collars as one broke when I was adjusting the collar.  These will look good, long enough for me to get my bike back together and get the swing arm swap sorted or shelved.


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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 03:24:18 PM »
I thought nice machining work on the collars too.

I've not tried BOGE dampers on a bike but they have very good reputation and capability in car products.

These have worked well for me, but were looking pretty ratty. I have an aluminum swing arm from a zrx1100 I need to finish modifying to fit which takes shocks that are eyelet not clevis mount so cleaning these up was a good little side project while I’m waiting for parts. And the machining of the collars was a good challenge to my very rudimentary ability on a lathe and mill. I got to do a bit of drafting and geometry to figure out the spacing of the preload ramps. The paint and the shock oil was in my shop already and it didn’t cost me anything for the powder coat. So it was a low cost refurb or buy new shocks I may replace in a year or so…

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Project Board / Re: My 750F2 project.
« on: February 02, 2024, 04:54:59 AM »
Shocks re assembled. Springs and upper collar powder coated. The aluminum shock collars are my creations as the old ones had cracked. Fresh paint for the body and ready to go.

These are old Boge shocks. I’m not certain how long they will stay on the bike. I have ideas in the wings for another potential swing arm.

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