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Title: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 07, 2021, 09:10:06 PM
Does anyone know if the steering race ball bearings are a standard size or can you buy a complete kit DS want 29pence each for them?
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: Johnwebley on February 07, 2021, 09:30:22 PM
Check out the local industrial estate for bearing supplies.

They should have loose balls.

If you will pardon the expression

Get them to mic them for size

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Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: Nurse Julie on February 07, 2021, 09:41:17 PM
Also try push bike shops.
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: TrickyMicky on February 07, 2021, 11:13:57 PM
Please forgive me if I've missed something obvious, but if you've gone to all the trouble of dismantling the front end, surely it's a lot less hassle just to replace the whole lot with a set of taper roller bearings. From the way I've read it, it gives the ipression that you are leaving the old races in place and just renewing the balls?
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 07, 2021, 11:34:01 PM
If taper bearings were a straight fit that would be great but from what I have read it isn't and you end up with not much thread when you fit the top nut unless someone has made a conversion kit. Naturally I would replace the races if badly worn. It appears the top race bearings were more corroded on mine. Does anyone know the size as a don't have a micrometer as yet.




Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 08, 2021, 09:57:44 AM
I understand most of the wear force sits on the lower bearing so am wondering if a hybrid arrangement  is more practical - taper bearing at the bottom plain at the top ?

Then again for my likely low summer mileage perhaps original is more straight forward ?

Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: Bryanj on February 08, 2021, 11:49:00 AM
I found the problem is if you use a thin spacer the bottom yoke came up against the frame and thinest spacer i found was 1mm.
Possibly you could grind some off the frame at bottom but not tried that
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 08, 2021, 12:11:32 PM
According to the parts diagram and the manual there are 37 ball bearings, 19 in the top and 18 in the bottom, they are called #8 ball bearings which according to the web means 1/4".

Like these.

https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=38916&vat_inc=true&gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvPGEh1MrUYLnvlT3sG_BtrNgFn62NT0DsiaJaeC6kmnygPfawxXsMwaAi_OEALw_wcB

£4.33 for 50.

Thanks for the link I have ordered some. I'm probably stuck with DS for the upper & lower races I think it works out at almost £70 for the pair!
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 10, 2021, 06:01:53 PM
Please forgive me if I've missed something obvious, but if you've gone to all the trouble of dismantling the front end, surely it's a lot less hassle just to replace the whole lot with a set of taper roller bearings. From the way I've read it, it gives the ipression that you are leaving the old races in place and just renewing the balls?

Having priced up the parts from DS I'm looking again at your suggestion to fit taper rollers they do seem a cheaper & better option. I've found these on e-bay after a search. What's the catch probably do not fit!! The lower race has a larger OD than the upper one.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steering-bearings-taper-roller-Honda-CB250-350-400-450-500-550-650-750-super/153984339007?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

And a spacer https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-400-F-Four-75-79-Headstock-Steering-Taper-Bearing-Spacer-OE-324005/184349619747?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-400-F-Four-1975-1979-Headstock-Steering-Taper-Bearing-Top-OE-324803/184340453514?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Clearly I need to get my calipers on the old races.





Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 11, 2021, 12:15:15 PM
I've found what sounds like a supplier that will sell me a pair of bearigs with a spacer to suit. Currently out of stock in the cheaper option for my particular model of Honda but the dearer option is £30.00.

As & when the bits arrive I will update with details of my fittment experience.
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: mickwinf on February 11, 2021, 03:31:56 PM
I have seen these advertised may be a solution
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AFTERMARKET-HEAD-BEARINGS-CUP-AND-CONE-SET-HONDA-CB500-CB-500-K-71-74-NEW/274677015189?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda%7CUKM_StreetName%3AFour&hash=item3ff406a295:g:JyYAAOSw8j1dY654
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: Seabeowner on February 11, 2021, 06:59:30 PM
I have seen these advertised may be a solution
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AFTERMARKET-HEAD-BEARINGS-CUP-AND-CONE-SET-HONDA-CB500-CB-500-K-71-74-NEW/274677015189?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda%7CUKM_StreetName%3AFour&hash=item3ff406a295:g:JyYAAOSw8j1dY654
But 30% less balls.
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 11, 2021, 08:28:45 PM
I have seen these advertised may be a solution
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AFTERMARKET-HEAD-BEARINGS-CUP-AND-CONE-SET-HONDA-CB500-CB-500-K-71-74-NEW/274677015189?fits=UKM_Make%3AHonda%7CUKM_StreetName%3AFour&hash=item3ff406a295:g:JyYAAOSw8j1dY654

These are not listed for for the 400/four they are not advertised as taper rollers.
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: mickwinf on February 11, 2021, 09:30:42 PM
i think all 70s hondas from 250-550 used same bearings, my thinking was they would be nearer in depth to the original rather than the taper rollers.
Title: Re: Steering Yoke Ball Bearings 400/four
Post by: McCabe-Thiele (Ted) on February 12, 2021, 09:48:48 AM
I have measured my steering shaft & steering column top & bottom diameters as best I can with my Aldi Calipers they come out as follows.

Bottom bearings are 50.00 mm OD, steering shaft diameter is 26.7? mm. ( not sure until I remove the bottom race if has a wider shoulder at the bottom where the race seats)

Top bearings are 48.50 mm OD, 26.00 mm ID.

As best as I can measure the original bottom ball bearing has a thickness of 13.50 mm.

This leads me to thinking that the bottom spacer needs to be the difference between the taper & roller bearing thickness plus any washer (if there is such a thing) that sits between the normal lower bearing race & the dust seal.

Any comments on my calcuations welcome please,
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